Fluid Change Time Help (Driveline/Motor/Coolant)

[oneillevo]

Im pretty much going to do a full fluid change on the car. Apart from the changing the filter and oil every 2.5k I havent really gotten under the car. So from all the reading I have done I want to clear up some confusion and some final questions before I go out and buy a bunch of fluid.

Motor Oil: Mobil1 10w-30 (extended performance)
Transmission: BG Syncroshift II
Transfercase: Mitsubishi Diaqueen
Rear Diff: Mitsubishi Diaqueen
Coolant: Preston (w/ distilled water)

fyi I have an 03. I dont have ACD.

This is pretty much on my checklist of things to buy fluid wise. Is there anything wrong with this list is pretty much what I am asking. And how much of each (in particular the driveline fluids) will I need? i.e. How many quarts will I need? You can chime in on your specific fluids too. I have been debated making the switch to Amsoil motor oil, and have heard mixed reviews about the Enoes oil. If you want to add the places you get the fluid from too that would be great. Right now it seems the only place I can get this fluid (Diaqueen) from is in the bay (tuner shops like SpeedElement and Extreme Performance) or at my local Mitsubishi dealership (Capitol Mitsubishi, Elk Grove)

Someone enlighten me today before I go out and spend $100 worth of fluids LOL :lol:

[tam@xperformance]

The formulation of Mobil1 is not what it used to be. I asked Terry Dyson (oil analysis expert over at Blackstone Labs) for alternative suggestions, and one of them was Quaker State Q Advanced (now called Quaker State Q Horsepower). Quaker State Q Horsepower is cheaper than M1, too--$19 for 5 quarts at Walmart.

He also suggested Redline (which is more expensive); if you want that, let me know. 8)

[oneillevo]

The formulation of Mobil1 is not what it used to be.

That is what I heard too, I read somewhere on EvoM that pretty much the regular 10w-30's formula changed and it was crappier. And that the extended 10w-30 was actually the old trusted formula. Your the first to mention Quaker State, does anyone else run this? At $19 for a five quart is almost a good buy.

Tam you have PM

[dabaysevo]

I don't think you want to buy the M1 extended performance, IIRC, it is a synthetic blend. Â*The car as far as I'm aware should only have full synthetic in the engine. Â*Someone with more experience correct me if I'm wrong.

[oneillevo]

I don't think you want to buy the M1 extended performance, IIRC, it is a synthetic blend. The car as far as I'm aware should only have full synthetic in the engine. Someone with more experience correct me if I'm wrong.


Really? hmm

[tam@xperformance]

For everything you want to know about motor oil: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

A web site and forum just about oil. Crazy! (They're looking at us and saying, "A forum just about Evos. Crazy!" :lol:)

[oneillevo]

Tam so you run Quaker State on street car?

[MarkSAE]

When did the Mobil1 formulation change anyway? Sometimes I really wonder what "not what it used to be" really translates to in terms of real-world performance. Most of us who track our cars regularly never encounter engine oil break down type problems. Most of our engine damage and wear comes from detonation anyway.. haha..

[tam@xperformance]

I think it was sometime last year or the year before. I've also heard, second-hand by someone who frequents that oil website I mentioned, that all DOT-legal motor oils have been reformulated recently with a reduced amount of some additive (zinc? moly? can't remember) in order to meet stricter emissions standards.

[oneillevo]

Redline suggests using 75W90 in the rear diff? Can you run it in the t-case too?

[tam@xperformance]

Some people have tried Redline gear oils, ShockProof, etc. in the TC and diff, but the one lube that the most people can agree on for those is Diaqueen.

[oneillevo]

Yay, I think I am just going to stick with Diaqueen. The same diaqueen can be used in the t-case and rear diff right or are there two different types of diaqueen fluid?

[MarkSAE]

There's only one diaqueen and it's used in both the t-case and rear diff.

[oneillevo]

I think I might do the Redline MT90/MTL Mixture for the Transmission (thats if I cant find BG Synchroshift), and Diaqueen for the t-case and rear diff.

[UCB]

I just did full MT90 in my tranny last night, its a tad smoother than stock, I see no reason to sacrifice protection for further smoothness by mixing in MTL

I will be putting diaqueen in the diff/TC

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

I just did full MT90 in my tranny last night, its a tad smoother than stock, I see no reason to sacrifice protection for further smoothness by mixing in MTL

I will be putting diaqueen in the diff/TC


The straight MT90 can be a little clunky in colder morning temps. As soon as it warms up it's fine though. MTL mix will help that clunkiness a little.

[Positron]

i will be doing mtl, mt90 and bg synchcroshift mix next week. that combination was recommended by speed element. they said straight bg synchcroshift would be too thick.

[oneillevo]

UCB how many qts of MT90 did you use?



i will be doing mtl, mt90 and bg synchcroshift mix next week. that combination was recommended by speed element. they said straight bg synchcroshift would be too thick.


Never thought about that, whats the mix portions?

[UCB]

i will be doing mtl, mt90 and bg synchcroshift mix next week. that combination was recommended by speed element. they said straight bg synchcroshift would be too thick.


What exactly is the purpose of the synchroshift? MTL and MT90 both have friction modifiers..I think MTL/MT90 will be plenty smooth and offer good protection. I park in a garage and didnt notice and morning clunkyness, will see how it does in the winter. Might add a tad of MTL or synchromesh then

oneillevo-OEM spec is 2.9 quarts, for whatever reason it started to spill out the top around 2.5-2.6

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

Yea you will never get the full spec in unless you take it apart and suck all the residual out.

I run MT90 + Shockproof heavy in my 6spd. About as thick as you can get. It can be a little clunky in the morning but it warms up pretty fast. I just chill on my first 5 minutes of shifting. Once it warms up though it's butter.

Disclaimer: I would not recommend putting shockproof heavy in your transmission. I only do it to hopefully make my 6spd last a little longer on the track. :)

[UCB]

Whats the weight of the shockproof heavy?

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

Whats the weight of the shockproof heavy?


"Heavy ShockProof
A unique lubricant containing a suspension of solid microscopic particles as an extreme pressure agent--unique solid dispersion which cushions gear teeth to help prevent tooth breakage and allows the use of lower viscosities. Recommended for heavily-loaded racing differentials and transmissions, Off Road racing and problem gearboxes. The viscosity characteristics allow the lubricant to resist throwoff and provide a film thickness similar to a 75W250 grade, while providing the same low fluid friction as an SAE 75W90."

It's like bubblegum, no joke. I warm the bottle up in hot water to make it easier to pump into the car. :)

[Positron]

What exactly is the purpose of the synchroshift?

BG Synchroshift, the transmission fluid.

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

FYI, BG is normal fluid and BG2 is synthetic.

[byt]

i will be doing mtl, mt90 and bg synchcroshift mix next week. that combination was recommended by speed element. they said straight bg synchcroshift would be too thick.


not to knock se but it seems like that combo may be kinda thin. why not straight mt90?

[Positron]

I went to SE and asked for 3 quarts of BG. But they said, it would too thick and said to get Mt90 and Mtl.

I will use BG syncho shift and MT90 first when doing the fluid change.

[UCB]

not sure if i would do that...BG is dino oil..MT90 is synthetic, Im always weary of mixing the two. MT90+MTL is a better mix IMO

[Positron]

RRE's choice was using straight BG Synchroshift

SE sold me Synchoshift, MT90, MTL

Kyle says MT90, MTL

What should i do, errr =/

[UCB]

Honestly, if you change it on a regular basis and dont track the car, it prob isnt a huge deal. Im actually surprised RRE says pure BG however

[dl_EVO]

I used straight BG Syncroshift II

Is that an issue??

[UCB]

From everything I have heard, straight BGII is actually kind of thin, so it doesnt offer as much protection of the gears

[dl_EVO]

I heard that it breaks down very thin under track conditions so I guess it's very thin..

[byt]

RRE's choice was using straight BG Synchroshift

SE sold me Synchoshift, MT90, MTL

Kyle says MT90, MTL

What should i do, errr =/


I vote straight mt90 :D

[atlvalet]

IIRC, BG II is like a 75W-80, so it's pretty thin.

When I got my clutch changed @ RRE, they put in regular BG. It immediately felt like ass. 2 days later , I put in my favorite tranny oil...a MOPAR 75W-85 exact equivalent to the SuperDiaqueen. Back to feeling great.

I also use Redline 75W-90 in the rear diff and Redline Heavyweight Shockproof in the TC. 65,000 miles on my Evo (even with a 6 speed) and no problems to speak of.

[ST]

Kyle - how is the shifting after mt90? Has it improved?

[Darwinator]

Pennzoil in the tranny!!!!!

Diaqueen in the rest!!!!

[dl_EVO]

BGII feels like ass when the car is cold, but once it warms up it's good.

[MarkSAE]

Pennzoil in the tranny!!!!!

Diaqueen in the rest!!!!


:werd:

That's what I've been using for the past 2+ years. I switched from Redline MT90/MTL mix to Pennzoil and have never looked back. Most of my cold start notchiness went away. But my evo is always garaged, so it doesn't get as cold as being parked outside overnight.

[UCB]

Kyle - how is the shifting after mt90? Has it improved?


Yes, its a tad smoother now



Pennzoil in the tranny!!!!!

Diaqueen in the rest!!!!


I wanted to run Pennzoil full synthetic in my tranny, had good success with it in my suby, sadly I wanted to swap my fluid asap and could not find a local vendor for the full synthetic gear oil.

[oneillevo]

Anyone run the Quaker State oil? The Q Horespower fun which is fully synthetic.

[joshesh]

Where do you get penzoil synthetic tranny fluid? Any evom vendors?

[UCB]

They sell it on amazon (penzoil full sythetic). You also might want to add a spalsh (3-4oz) of penzoil syncromesh to smooth things out a bit.

[oneillevo]

Anyone running quaker states new line of synthetic oil?

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[esco]

I thought I ended the discussion on oil?




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[UCB]

hardly..lol

[oneillevo]

Alright heres what I went out and bought so far. I am just missing the Diaqueen. Luis, if your reading this expect a call from me. LOL

Transmission:
2qts - Redline MT-90 [$9.99]
1qts - Redline MTL [$9.99]

T-Case/Diff:
TBA

Engine:
3 liters - Amsoil Synthetic 10w-30 [$27.96] *trying it out as recommended from a friend*
1 qts - Amsoil Synthetic 10w-30 [$6.99] *as extra just in case*
1 - Denso Oil Filter [$6.99] *never tried it # BEC 041-8163*
1 - Washer [$1.99] *I know its pricey*

Coolant:
1 - Presetone Anti-Free [$8.97]
1- Distilled Water [$0.64]

Extra:
1 - Wally World Washer Fluid [$0.94]

Plus Tax = $85.34

[oneillevo]

Whats an alternative to the Diaqueen for the t-case and rear diff?

[UCB]

TC-GL5 SAE90 Hypoid Gear Oil
Diff-Just says Hypoid gear oil, gives the diaqueen PN or equivalent

[Positron]

I got Redline hvyweight shockproof and 75-90 for TC and rear diff.

[UCB]

what mix? I think im just going to order a bottle of diaqueen, should get here in a few days

[TogueMonster]

What do you pay for Diaqueen, UCB? I've gotten off the wall prices from various Mitsu dealers, ranging from $80 to an insane $175.

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

You can use redline shockproof heavy in the TC. I've used it on all my mitsubishi AWDs

You can also use redline 75W90 gear oil in the rear diff.

Been using both for over 25,000 miles and 20+ track days in the Evo with no problems. Transmission is another story... :(

[UCB]

What do you pay for Diaqueen, UCB? I've gotten off the wall prices from various Mitsu dealers, ranging from $80 to an insane $175.


it was 33 for 4L off mitsibishiparts.com, but those fuckers just emailed me saying they dont ship fluids. DONT PUT IT ON YOUR WEBSITE THEN IDIOTS.

Its $35 of mitsubishiparts.net, $45 from machV, and $50 from lancershop

[Positron]

You can use redline shockproof heavy in the TC. I've used it on all my mitsubishi AWDs

You can also use redline 75W90 gear oil in the rear diff.


Exactly what I will be doing ^_^

I need to do this tranny fluid asap. I had these fluids sitting around for over a month now =(

Kyle, do you use a fluid pump tool?

[UCB]

tc and tranny you can do it without a pump, using a funnel+tube instead

gotta pump into the rear diff

[oneillevo]

What size tube will fit into the fill holes?

[UCB]

I think I used 1/2" OD

[tam@xperformance]

3/8" ID hose fits I think; OSH FTW. ;)

I personally like to use a fluid transfer pump, partly because I fill the car when it's on a lift, but also because with a pump you can stop as soon as fluid begins to overflow out of the fill hole. (You're supposed to fill them until they start overflowing.) If you fill it from above, make sure you have a good overflow pan under the car or a helper who can pour (and stop pouring) while you watch from under the car. 8)

[UCB]

I dont have the luxury of a lift, so yeah, pumping under the car is a real bitch :P

[MarkSAE]

You can also pump from the top if you're creative. ;)

[oneillevo]

Diaqueen is here, just need to buy the pump and hoses.

[UCB]

where did you get it? how much?

[oneillevo]

TougeMonster $40

UCB you have PM

[UCB]

I didnt get any PM

[oneillevo]

Wow! Took me about 3 Hours total for Oil/Transmission/T-Case/Rear Diff. Could have been shorter but I was taking my time and reading (how-to) threads as I went.

As recommended by Bryan I stuck with the 2 qts of MT90 and 1 qt of MTL. Big difference from the fluid I had in there. Smoother shifts, feels like I am shifting like a hot knife through butter. FYI I have a 5spd.

Diaqueen in the t-case and rear diff feels smoother.

Amsoil synthetic, I dunno its oil to me lol. Ill try to log a run with it see if I see any improvements.

For a newbie to Evo Maintenance I would rate this a 2 on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the most difficult. Just have the right tools. Which is mainly a jack, 17mm, 24mm, and tubing. About it. If you can change your own oil you should be able to do this.


Tomorrow comes the coolant, tire rotation, and windshield washer fluid. (running out of daylight)

[Evo8andahalf]

where did you pick up the diaqueen?

[oneillevo]

your local nce member lol.

I quoted Capitol Mitsubishi (Elk Grove) but the butthead over there wanted $175 for a jug. Contact our NCE tuner shops I know one of them has to have one.

lancershop.com has it but I think there based in Canada so it will take some time.

[oneillevo]

Also if anyone is thinking about sticking with Mobile 1 10w-30 Synthetic. Wally World is selling them at $19.XX . Normally like $27 your saving $8-9 bucks. Not bad. So hop on that if your planning on doing a fluid change in the next few days.

[oneillevo]

Finished the coolant change just a second ago. Any different? Cant tell.

One Note. When trying to do the right mixture I just went with a whole 1 gallon jug of distilled and then topped off the rest with coolant. I only used a little bit of coolant. I think close to half a bottle (1/4)

[tam@xperformance]

One Note. When trying to do the right mixture I just went with a whole 1 gallon jug of distilled and then topped off the rest with coolant. I only used a little bit of coolant. I think close to half a bottle (1/4)


So you've probably got more water and less coolant in there than you intended. Remember when I suggested you put in the amount of coolant you want to use first, then top off with water? Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?!? AAAARGH! :lol:

Run the car for a bit (until it's nice and warm and the thermostat opens), then let it cool down (fully), and air still in the system usually works its way to the top of the radiator--so open the radiator cap and top it off again.

Also make sure you flush out the overflow container. And fill it to the fill line with water.

[joshesh]

how much diaqueen will i need for the diff and tcase? will 1 can (4 liters i think) be enough?

[oneillevo]

Yes more than enough. For the Tcase and Rear Diff you do not need that much. If you get yourself ahold of a can of Diaqueen you should be set for more than a couple of fluid changes. Have fun the fluid change was super easy.

[turbosmurf02]

im dumb...

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[oneillevo]

I believe you can use a mixture of MT90 and MTL. If your comfortable with using another 75w90 for tcase and rear I think you can. But I think if you put the wrong fluid in your tcase will begin to 'whine' and thus you need to get a new tcase.

[Positron]

Ok so I did a tranny fluid change about 2 weeks ago. Forgot to mention it here.

Redline 75-90 for REAR DIFF. 10% of bottle was left.
Redline Heavyweight Shockproff for TRANSFER CASE. Again about 10% of bottle was left.
BG Synchroshift, Redline MT90, MTL in that order for tranny. Took all 3 quarts!

The shifting feels just the same. Didn't smooth anything out. Oh btw, this was my first transmission fluid change and my car had 29k miles on it =X

[joshesh]

Positron - How long did it take to do all three?Â* Maybe you can help me do mine soon, its already at 12k and I have only had the evo for 9 months:)

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

so holy crap, i can use mt90 for Tranny (5speed) and pretty much any 75w90 for tcase and rear? (other than diaqueen)


Do not use 75w90 for the tcase. Shockproof heavy or OEM fluids.

MT90 will work fine in the 5spd.

[atlvalet]

so holy crap, i can use mt90 for Tranny (5speed) and pretty much any 75w90 for tcase and rear? (other than diaqueen)


Do not use 75w90 for the tcase. Shockproof heavy or OEM fluids.

MT90 will work fine in the 5spd.


Hey Bryan, can you tune me with an MBC? I am going to put some BG Syncroshift in my TC. That thinner fluid should give me some horsepower.

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

Hey Bryan, can you tune me with an MBC? I am going to put some BG Syncroshift in my TC. That thinner fluid should give me some horsepower.


4 MBC's, one for each tire. :)

[turbosmurf02]

so holy crap, i can use mt90 for Tranny (5speed) and pretty much any 75w90 for tcase and rear? (other than diaqueen)


ok so...
Tranny = Mt90
Tcase = Shockproof
rear diff = 75w90 (or GL-5)

right?

[tam@xperformance]

FYI we have most Redline fluids in stock, including motor and gear oils, ShockProof, Water Wetter, etc.

Please call us to check availability--don't PM me, I'm not usually at the store and won't be able to check. 8)

[SpeedElement]

For Transmission:

1 bottle of Redline MT90
1 bottle of Redline MTL
1 bottle of BG Synchro shift

Mix all 3 together.

For transfercase and rear diff -

OEM Mitsubishi Diaqueen

[RSV]

so holy crap, i can use mt90 for Tranny (5speed) and pretty much any 75w90 for tcase and rear? (other than diaqueen)


Do not use 75w90 for the tcase. Shockproof heavy or OEM fluids.

MT90 will work fine in the 5spd.


So is it okay to just run 75w90 in the Tranny AND rear diff?

[tam@xperformance]

So is it okay to just run 75w90 in the Tranny AND rear diff?

Please read this thread, and ask again if you're still confused.

[trinydex]

http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=37&topic=26793.0

[turbosmurf02]

should i change the washers when i change the fluids in tcase and tranny???

[joshesh]

^No, just reuse the same washers.

[Positron]

josh, wot juice did u end up injecting?

[trinydex]

should i change the washers when i change the fluids in tcase and tranny???
depends... if you have nice copper ones reuse. if you have crappy aluminum ones then you might consider replacing with a nice copper one or a tension ring.

[joshesh]

I used MT90 (2quarts) and Penzoil Synchroshift (1quart) for the tranny, shockproof for the t-case and 75-90 for the rear diff.

I had to use Penzoil becasue the BG syncromesh leaked all over my trunk on the way home from speed element, so the local autozone was the best I could do.

[trinydex]

which tranny? 6 or 5

[joshesh]

I have a IX SE = 5 speed.

[turbosmurf02]

whenever i take off in first gear, only once parked, i leave hearing a quick three little clicks from the rear of the car. Could that be the rear diff? It doesnt seem to hinder the car's performance and its definitely not the tranny.

What wrech are you guys using for the rear diff drain bolt? 24mm i know, but the regular wrench seems to not fit right, even the closed end :(

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

whenever i take off in first gear, only once parked, i leave hearing a quick three little clicks from the rear of the car. Could that be the rear diff? It doesnt seem to hinder the car's performance and its definitely not the tranny.

What wrech are you guys using for the rear diff drain bolt? 24mm i know, but the regular wrench seems to not fit right, even the closed end :(


24mm socket. :)

[panem]

what about changing the fluid on the acd? im clueless on how to change the acd fluid

[joshesh]

you mean the front diff. i use shock proof

[panem]

the acd pump leads to the front diff. so just flush it out from the front diff and fill from the acd pump?

[trinydex]

you need to be careful with acd fluid. that has nothing to do with this how to however.

[panem]

want to point me to the right path on how to for the acd fluid b/c i just got a new acd pump. i've been reading and acd goes to the front diff which is connected with the TC. the acd pump uses tranny fluid and tc uses shockproof or daiqueen. so my question is that how to bleed to the acd pump???

[Lucky13Evo]

want to point me to the right path on how to for the acd fluid b/c i just got a new acd pump. i've been reading and acd goes to the front diff which is connected with the TC. the acd pump uses tranny fluid and tc uses shockproof or daiqueen. so my question is that how to bleed to the acd pump???

God it all sounds so confusing does anyone have a walk thru on this i am going to do all my fluids soon and dont want to mess up

[trinydex]

i don't recommend doing the acd yourself

[panem]

well from what mike at SE told me it will require 2 ppl (one in the car and one under to bleed the pump) when working on the bleeding the the acd pump. i know i'm going to have to take it to Mike at SE after my new acd pump is back on the car.

[Lucky13Evo]

is it really that hard to bleed the acd pump i figure if i get an evo 9 service manual it ssould have a step by step process. By the way does anyone know where i can get a evo 9 service manual or download one for that matter.

[panem]

where can i get bg syncroshift at???

[Evo8urv8]

Redline Power Pack (http://www.redlineoil.com/products_powerpacks.asp?subCategoryID=21)

'Nuff said.

[trinydex]

that powerpack does not advertise the right place to put all the right fluids. be careful.

[panem]

forget it i'll just get the OEM fluids at the stealership

[trinydex]

you don't have to just give up. just get the right stuff and put it in the right place. why is everyone so damn adverse to that?

ever occur to you that oem fluid isn't the best?

[panem]

For Transmission:

1 bottle of Redline MT90
1 bottle of Redline MTL
1 bottle of BG Synchro shift

Mix all 3 together.

For transfercase and rear diff -

OEM Mitsubishi Diaqueen





this ok for 5spd transmission

[turbosmurf02]

^^yes

[turbosmurf02]

Im dumb... again

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[trinydex]

the best combos are all in here

http://www.norcalevo.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=21875.0

[panem]

got the diaqueen, BG, and ATF(for ACD pump) at the stealership. i got to use a discount b/c of my moms friend shop. now going to get Redline MTL somewhere. maybe at SE