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ChuckP
02-08-2008, 09:35 PM
Just thought i would give you guys with radar/laer detectors a heads up. CHP are now using laser on 101.

Up until tonight i had only seen KA radar from CHP in my area (Marin). But coming over a hill on 101 north a CHP hit me and a truck with his LIDAR. We were both doing a little above the speed limit. I guess i had the warning to slow down earlier, so the truck got lit up.

Just a heads up. Im sure this isnt new to any of you guys in the East Bay, but to me out in Marin it is.

Kinda worries me now, knowing i dont really have time to react to the laser. Oh well, drive safe.

mtsevovii
02-08-2008, 09:42 PM
yup things with lasers and radar, you just need to make sure youre not the only car on the road, and that he aimed at the other person first and not you. :lol:

Positron
02-08-2008, 09:48 PM
Saw a CHP bike cop on 87 earlier this morning on the Skyport onramp. He had a very small gun pointing. Must be a laser one?

ChuckP
02-08-2008, 09:54 PM
Im just mad. A year or two ago all the CHP would drive around with their radar gun on all the time. I used to have a mile or 2 of warning. Id just post at the speed limit and watch the signal strength increase, then give a friendly wave to them. I guess those days are gone.

ChuckP
02-08-2008, 09:57 PM
You think they will ever outlaw radar/laser detectors in Cali? You would think they would ban them here in a second. More money for the state.

DirectorSe7en
02-08-2008, 10:19 PM
What's the difference between Laser and Radar? Is one more effective?

SavageEvo8
02-08-2008, 10:26 PM
one is constant while the other is instant and can pick up any single vehicle out of a croud i believe. i just got popped 51 in a 35 by a city cop using one. eat shit Gilroy PD!!!!! :?

Liquid-R1
02-08-2008, 11:17 PM
I got a ticket over 2 years ago where the cop used LIDAR in Milpitas... He was on a motorcycle sitting on an intersection on Great Mall Parkway...

Segfault
02-08-2008, 11:30 PM
Might be time for a jammer....err "parking assistant" that just happens to run on the same frequency.

ChuckP
02-08-2008, 11:57 PM
^^Yup, anyone have any experience or recommendations with jammers?

rexg
02-09-2008, 07:34 AM
^^Yup, anyone have any experience or recommendations with jammers?


Radar Jammers are illegal and a violation of federal law controlled by the fcc. up until last year, laser jammers aka laser shifters were legal since the fcc could not control laser emissions as they were not radio waves hence regulated by the fda(if im not mistaken). however, a couple of years ago, california enacted a law making it illegal to use a jammer of any sort thereby wiping everything off the plate. what i do not remember is if they were only outlawing active jamming or both active and passive jamming.

to answer the question on the difference between radar and lidar, radar checks the speed on oncoming traffic and the leo will have to have his radar on for a longer time to get an accurate reading giving radar detectors time. the bad part is that radar is not as focused as laser so it can be on of any five cars on the road. they have invented the pop radar which was put into service a few years ago but from what i heard, it was not as accurate.

on the other hand, lidar is very accurate and very powerful. if your radar/lidar detector detects laser, pray for yourself that you did not go way above the limit because chances are 95% or more that he already recorded your speed.

radar detector have saved me a lot of times on i-5 though, my escort 8500 x50(which i will be selling in the forum) can see them 2 miles away.

chrisw
02-09-2008, 08:51 AM
they have been using lidar for about a year now. this is nothing new.

Segfault
02-11-2008, 11:53 PM
I believe passing jamming is a fix it IF the device is something like a parking assistant. Don't quote me on it though.

The one thing to watch out for is that a lot of the newer laser guns tell the officer that it's been jammed. If that happens, you better hope you don't have an official laser jammer going.

turboevo8
02-12-2008, 12:00 AM
So anyone have any recommendation on which Lidar dector to get? With or without jamming? I am new to this.

player67
02-12-2008, 12:43 AM
this sucks..

awdaddict
02-12-2008, 12:46 AM
everyone go buy a Valentine1

meape
02-12-2008, 11:09 AM
I have a V1 and it is an awesome tool. My experience with the HP is the same as mentioned above. That is, they typically drive around with the unit on continuously. 2 mile range on picking up that signal on I-5 for example is common.

The increasing laser use is bad news, as all the V1 will do for you is inform you instantenously you are going to get a ticket. The national loophole on the legality of laser jammers (as stated, not under FCC jurisdiction) will eventually close. Also disturbing to me are some stationary speed indicator gizmos that do not elicit any type of alarm from my V1. I experienced a couple on Hwy 12 west of Rio Vista and a few in Sac in Gold River.

I have not had a speeding ticket in over 20 years although I do enjoy "spirited' driving. I do like to know who/what is surveiliing my activities be that driving or something else. Big Brother is moving ahead in this technological arms race.

PANGES
02-12-2008, 06:06 PM
Luckily NCE members dont have to worry about the LIDAR. However, it'd be game over for everyone if they started using GAYDAR.

DirectorSe7en
02-12-2008, 06:07 PM
Never a shortage of homo :?


:lol:

esco
02-18-2008, 09:33 AM
Luckily NCE members dont have to worry about the LIDAR. However, it'd be game over for everyone if they started using GAYDAR.


Ive gotten a ticket by a cop using Lidar in the evo. I hate it.

DirectorSe7en
02-18-2008, 11:39 AM
Luckily NCE members dont have to worry about the LIDAR. However, it'd be game over for everyone if they started using GAYDAR.

I'd be busted a mile out... :oops:

DruMMinStUd06
03-03-2008, 11:43 PM
I have a V1 and it is an awesome tool. My experience with the HP is the same as mentioned above. That is, they typically drive around with the unit on continuously. 2 mile range on picking up that signal on I-5 for example is common.

The increasing laser use is bad news, as all the V1 will do for you is inform you instantenously you are going to get a ticket. The national loophole on the legality of laser jammers (as stated, not under FCC jurisdiction) will eventually close. Also disturbing to me are some stationary speed indicator gizmos that do not elicit any type of alarm from my V1. I experienced a couple on Hwy 12 west of Rio Vista and a few in Sac in Gold River.

I have not had a speeding ticket in over 20 years although I do enjoy "spirited' driving. I do like to know who/what is surveiliing my activities be that driving or something else. Big Brother is moving ahead in this technological arms race.


+1

You're safe with radar most of the time...with laser/lidar, it pretty much lets you know he got you.

Underated4g64
03-04-2008, 12:54 AM
these 2 detectors are said to be the best laser detectors
escort
http://www.buyradardetectors.com/products/escort/escort-8500-x50-r.aspx

beltronics
http://www.buyradardetectors.com/products/bel/bel-pro-rx65.aspx

you could use these too to help give you more time to slow down
http://buyradardetectors.com/products/ontrack/laser-shield.aspx
http://buyradardetectors.com/products/veil/laser-veil.aspx

esco
03-04-2008, 10:46 AM
these 2 detectors are said to be the best laser detectors
escort
http://www.buyradardetectors.com/products/escort/escort-8500-x50-r.aspx



I have this one, but after a year everytime I go wot (on the freeway or anywhere) it keeps screaming that I have been hit with a laser. its a good unit, 360 protection.

Kasaper
03-04-2008, 11:43 AM
A friend of mine is a CHP on a bike and a bunch of us demo'd the LIDAR on traffic, that thing is fucking deadly accurate and it can hit you coming or going with hit from a switch on the LIDAR. If anybody knows how to beat it I have'nt heard how??? :shock:

Limeyboy
03-04-2008, 11:59 AM
Lidar is definitely the quickest way to catch you speeding. It does have flaws though - some units operate an "always on" beam (usually the fixed units) which means your laser eye on the detector will pick up reflections from other vehicles in front of you being hit. Units which are "instant on" tend not to have this issue.

There are some counter measures and some jammers but yes they are all illegal to use in this great state. However, if you have a laser based parking system (instead of radar based for those tight parallel parks) i think the CHP would have a hard time persuading a court that you were using that technology with the specific intention of jamming radar

http://www.guysoflidar.com/

Limeyboy
03-04-2008, 12:06 PM
Also, for your reading pleasure

28150. (a) No vehicle shall be equipped with any device that is designed for, or is capable of, jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.

(b) No person shall use, buy, possess, manufacture, sell, or otherwise distribute any device that is designed for jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.

(c) Except as provided in subdivision (d), a violation of subdivision (a) or (b) is an infraction.

(d) When a person possesses four or more devices in violation of subdivision (b), the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(e) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has a valid federal license for operating the devices described in this section may transport one or more of those devices if the license is carried in the vehicle transporting the device at all times when the device is being transported.

So if i read this, the worst thing you can get for having or using a jammer is a fine. Now the big question is, will the use of a laser jammer go on your driving/DMV records, in the same way not using the jammer and getting a speeding ticket would?

Limeyboy
03-04-2008, 12:24 PM
I have this one, but after a year everytime I go wot (on the freeway or anywhere) it keeps screaming that I have been hit with a laser. its a good unit, 360 protection.


Roffles. Its picking up the heat of your engine coming out the hood vent probably. Try moving it to top left of your windshield.

Limeyboy
03-04-2008, 06:50 PM
So according to the text i quoted above from cvc 28150, an infraction is defined here:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d18/vc42001.htm

Basically its a $100 fine (first offense) $200 (second offense), $250 third offense. Im not sure at this stage if infractions like this post to your driving record, perhaps someone else knows?

Either way, if im doing 95 in a 70 and i get lidar'd, id be happy to be running a jammer. If the cop decides to come after me and pull me over, ticket me for lidar jamming, then I get a $100 fine. Sounds much less to me than the fine for 95 in a 70.

What about the cop? This is assuming he even comes after me after he cant get a speed reading. To a cop with lidar that act of catching speeders is shooting fish in a barrel, especially on the freeway/interstate. If his assignment for the day is lots of speeding tickets, hes probly going to try and get those speeding tickets.

EvoRicer
03-04-2008, 07:14 PM
My friend was telling me about this one pad that you stick on the front of your car. It can be hidden inside the bumper though. The purpose of this pad is to bounce off laser from the car so the laser cant pick up what speed you're going. If you get pulled over and ticketed, that company will pay for your tickets. I dont remember the name though.

esco
03-04-2008, 11:40 PM
my grandfather has something that blocks lidar in his rear and front bumpers of his m5's, i think he paid like 4k? I'll call him 2morrow to find out.

cloudx71
04-11-2008, 11:53 PM
watch out on 85 near 17 highway, always see tons of police pulling over speeders with lidar, my v1 doesnt even go off.