What would it take to convert to E85 and will it be a good idea????

[missred]

Well my curiousity always gets the best of me and was wondering if our local experts can tell us how possible it would be to convert our rides to take E85 fuel? I somewhat understand that ethanol can be corrosive to metals, rubbers, and seals. Does that mean that we would have to find a way to change our gas tank, redo the fuel line and seals? I am also curious to know why you have to run 900cc-1000cc injectors? Please lets have an informative discussion here as I know I'm not the only one who would like to know from our local experts. Please no post whoring! This thread was made for informational use, if you do post whore I will delete your post immediately. Thanks

[AreSTG]

word on the street is it takes roughly 20% more fuel when you run e85 rather than gasoline. So bigger injectors to flow the more fuel. Might need to do the duble Walbro FP deal too...

[jbfoco]

30% more fuel from real world evo numbers

At least 1000cc injectors and a fuel pump, there are better alternatives to the duel pumps. Mike or Bryan can chime in better on that.

Bryan at GST is doing testing on e85

[missred]

30% more fuel from real world evo numbers

At least 1000cc injectors and a fuel pump, there are better alternatives to the duel pumps. Mike or Bryan can chime in better on that.

Bryan at GST is doing testing on e85


nice hopefully B can chime in and give us some insight, Andy your input would be greatly appreciated.

[bricel24]

+1

[MadEvo]

+2

But is there any E85 stations in Norcal?

[bricel24]

they said there is one in Concord...

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

I should have 55 gallons of E85 coming this week. Then my long-standing Evo test mule gets even more testing. ;)

For stock turbo or variant, all that is needed is a upgraded fuel pump (walbro) and RC 1000cc injectors or so. Stock lines and everything else should be no problem. AMS did some testing last year and the Evo fuel system is up to the task.

I will be keeping everyone updated with the testing on my Evo.

There is a E85 station opening in Hayward, San Jose, Concord and Sacramento: http://www.pearsonfuels.com/

I had a Evo 9 customer that I had tuned on 91 octane, with RC 1000cc injectors, get tuned on E85 down at RRE (he lives in LA) and he gained approx 70whp and 80wtq going from 91 to E85. He is normal "stage 1" mods for a 9, stock turbo, tbe, intake, 02 housing, open air filter.

We'll see what my testing brings. :) E85 together with the map switching mod is very exciting.

[evosti]

How's the gasmillage?

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

How's the gasmillage?


20 to 30% less. I'll have actual stats once I run through some tanks in my Evo.

For enthusiasts, it's better to look at E85 as a really cheap race gas alternative ( I think it's currently $3.50/gallon in Ca ) then a pump gas alternative.

[evosti]

Ahh gotcha.

[missred]

I should have 55 gallons of E85 coming this week. Then my long-standing Evo test mule gets even more testing. ;)

For stock turbo or variant, all that is needed is a upgraded fuel pump (walbro) and RC 1000cc injectors or so. Stock lines and everything else should be no problem. AMS did some testing last year and the Evo fuel system is up to the task.

I will be keeping everyone updated with the testing on my Evo.

There is a E85 station opening in Hayward, San Jose, Concord and Sacramento: http://www.pearsonfuels.com/

I had a Evo 9 customer that I had tuned on 91 octane, with RC 1000cc injectors, get tuned on E85 down at RRE (he lives in LA) and he gained approx 70whp and 80wtq going from 91 to E85. He is normal "stage 1" mods for a 9, stock turbo, tbe, intake, 02 housing, open air filter.

We'll see what my testing brings. :) E85 together with the map switching mod is very exciting.


SIC!! I can't wait to see what kind of hp/tq/gas milage and reliability you get out of it Bryan.

[bricel24]

I should have 55 gallons of E85 coming this week. Then my long-standing Evo test mule gets even more testing. ;)

For stock turbo or variant, all that is needed is a upgraded fuel pump (walbro) and RC 1000cc injectors or so. Stock lines and everything else should be no problem. AMS did some testing last year and the Evo fuel system is up to the task.

I will be keeping everyone updated with the testing on my Evo.

There is a E85 station opening in Hayward, San Jose, Concord and Sacramento: http://www.pearsonfuels.com/

I had a Evo 9 customer that I had tuned on 91 octane, with RC 1000cc injectors, get tuned on E85 down at RRE (he lives in LA) and he gained approx 70whp and 80wtq going from 91 to E85. He is normal "stage 1" mods for a 9, stock turbo, tbe, intake, 02 housing, open air filter.

We'll see what my testing brings. :) E85 together with the map switching mod is very exciting.


SIC!! I can't wait to see what kind of hp/tq/gas milage and reliability you get out of it Bryan.


:D

[Ben]

How's the gasmillage?


20 to 30% less. I'll have actual stats once I run through some tanks in my Evo.

For enthusiasts, it's better to look at E85 as a really cheap race gas alternative ( I think it's currently $3.50/gallon in Ca ) then a pump gas alternative.


Wouldn't that make your Evo a clean green emission free machine?

[MadEvo]

Gasmileage:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=323313

More stuff I found on EvoM.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=344481

E85 tuners list:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=348877

All this found under Alternative fuel thread.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/forumdisplay.php?f=225

[leaveit2bevo]

I still havent finished my first full tank but weirdly the mileage is looking a lot like what I get on 91 all street driving and im not mechanically sympathetic. The car is so smooth on e85 even at partial throttle when your not on it. Looks like when I come back up to norcal im going to have to start buying drums of this shit because im not going back to 91.

[redvolution]

Wouldn't that make your Evo a clean green emission free machine?


No. Switching to E85 won't reduce carbon emissions.

Corn-based E85 is a bad idea. Other types of E85 might be less detrimental to the world economy.

[whtrice]

Wow..Fair Oaks and Arden...This is awesome...10mins from my house. Say good bye to $7.99 a gal 100oct.


There is a E85 station opening in Sacramento: http://www.pearsonfuels.com/


Awesome news...Got 1000cc's in stock bryan??


We'll see what my testing brings. :) E85 together with the map switching mod is very exciting.

[leaveit2bevo]

heres the 91 vs e85 overlay this car put down 317whp 292wtq on gsts mustang dyno, my clutch was slipping when it cleared 400wtq.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8904/e85vs91hpev9.jpg

[whtrice]

^^^^Stock clutch ?? :)

[leaveit2bevo]

ya stock clutch cams turbo

[whtrice]

Wow..Then a green equipped car with cams on E85 should have no problem with 400 whp on a mustang dyno???



ya stock clutch cams turbo

[leaveit2bevo]

Wow..Then a green equipped car with cams on E85 should have no problem with 400 whp on a mustang dyno???



ya stock clutch cams turbo



you should find out!

[missred]

Wow..Then a green equipped car with cams on E85 should have no problem with 400 whp on a mustang dyno???



ya stock clutch cams turbo



Or Red :lol:

[whtrice]

Do it!!! :)





Wow..Then a green equipped car with cams on E85 should have no problem with 400 whp on a mustang dyno???



ya stock clutch cams turbo



Or Red :lol:

[MadEvo]

More info posted on EvoM.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=357865

[leaveit2bevo]

I just got 12mpg all street driving wot every chance I got when the road cleared in front of me.

[gohdunlam]

o shit hayward too now? =D

when tuning, can you like sacrafice some whp for more wtq? i'm scared with the e85 i'll push the stock block too much =D

[mtsevovii]

*** sitting anxiously *** :lol:

[whtrice]

Don't sit. It's just a drive to Concord.... :lol:
It is good to see stations getting E-85 around the bayarea and Sac.




*** sitting anxiously *** :lol:

[mtsevovii]

Don't sit. It's just a drive to Concord.... :lol:
It is good to see stations getting E-85 around the bayarea and Sac.




*** sitting anxiously *** :lol:







haha i cant yet. not the right parts in my evo and not tuned for it.

[whtrice]

Well I found out!!!! Woot!! 403whp :D



[quote=whtrice ]
Wow..Then a green equipped car with cams on E85 should have no problem with 400 whp on a mustang dyno???

[quote=leaveit2bevo ]

you should find out!

[leaveit2bevo]

mission accomplished

[willitas34]

mission accomplished


only the beginning ;)

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

Stopped by to refill on E85 coming back from thunderhill today.

Price dropped again. $3.59/gallon

Great mileage on the way to thill. Almost the same as normal gas. Tank was full and when I got to thill it was at the half mark. ( About 140miles)

[whtrice]

sweet



Stopped by to refill on E85 coming back from thunderhill today.

Price dropped again. $3.59/gallon

Great mileage on the way to thill. Almost the same as normal gas. Tank was full and when I got to thill it was at the half mark. ( About 140miles)

[planglie]

Bryan, we really appreciate you taking the extra time to put an additional 100+ miles on your Evo this Sat. so that you could give us accurate fuel ecomomy reports :shock: :wink: .

Paul

[steevo8]

Woohoo my car runs again! hopefully Ill have some initial e85 numbers here soon. :D

[gcbandit]

So I've been reading things about E85 and some questions popped up in my head. I did not find these answers in previous posts. My biggest question is this - Say for some reason you get stuck somewhere and your running on fumes without any E85 near by. Can you just fill up with 91 enough to get you home and lose power and performance? or will it lead to a bigger problem. Also vice versa what would happen if you put in E-85 with no tune just pump and injectors? Just no gains in performance? or bad things? im sorta a noob so sorry if these are dumb questions

[earlyapex aka jack ass]

Get the map switch and tunes for both 91 and E85 and those situations are fixed with a flip of a switch.

[dabaysevo]

Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

[gcbandit]

damn that is some quick response times by both you ha :] thanks for the info guys. Waiting for the E85 stations in San jose to be oppened sometime early next year. Thanks for your help guys

[JDMevoBOOST]

Gahhh I think I've reached my limit ROFL. I gotta do it even if I have to drive my ass to hayward to fill up. I will be purchasing a 20 gallon drum to fill up with too.

Anyone can recommend the equipment for self pumping this ish?

[gcbandit]

Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

but if im almost on empty on e85 and i need more gas and 91 is all that is available wont mixing them cause bad things?

[whtrice]

If your on empty with E-85 and fill with 91 there is no problem. I have even just put in a half a tank of 91 and had no issues. That answer your question?





Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

but if im almost on empty on e85 and i need more gas and 91 is all that is available wont mixing them cause bad things?

[TougeGod7]

so if your orange light comes on saying u need to refuel, then its ok to put in 91 or visa-versa?



If your on empty with E-85 and fill with 91 there is no problem. I have even just put in a half a tank of 91 and had no issues. That answer your question?





Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

but if im almost on empty on e85 and i need more gas and 91 is all that is available wont mixing them cause bad things?

[whtrice]

If I am going to fill with E-85 I like to have it as close to empty as possible. When adding 91 to the tank the low fuel light on is fine.



so if your orange light comes on saying u need to refuel, then its ok to put in 91 or visa-versa?



If your on empty with E-85 and fill with 91 there is no problem. I have even just put in a half a tank of 91 and had no issues. That answer your question?





Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

but if im almost on empty on e85 and i need more gas and 91 is all that is available wont mixing them cause bad things?

[TougeGod7]

thats good to hear :D



If I am going to fill with E-85 I like to have it as close to empty as possible. When adding 91 to the tank the low fuel light on is fine.



so if your orange light comes on saying u need to refuel, then its ok to put in 91 or visa-versa?



If your on empty with E-85 and fill with 91 there is no problem. I have even just put in a half a tank of 91 and had no issues. That answer your question?





Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

but if im almost on empty on e85 and i need more gas and 91 is all that is available wont mixing them cause bad things?

[gcbandit]

If I am going to fill with E-85 I like to have it as close to empty as possible. When adding 91 to the tank the low fuel light on is fine.



so if your orange light comes on saying u need to refuel, then its ok to put in 91 or visa-versa?



If your on empty with E-85 and fill with 91 there is no problem. I have even just put in a half a tank of 91 and had no issues. That answer your question?





Dont' pump E85 on a 91 tune, bad things will happen. People that have E85 tunes have the Tephra patch done so they can do map switching with the stock ecu. So if you run out of E85 and are nowhere near a source just flip a switch and you can fill up on 91 like normal until you find E85 again.

Edit: You're keyboard was quicker this time Bryan. :D

but if im almost on empty on e85 and i need more gas and 91 is all that is available wont mixing them cause bad things?




thank you guys for answering so quickly :) cant wait til the san jose e85 opens up then im definently in

[mynx877]

I can't wait 4 my 91 & E85 tune next month