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hagakure
06-29-2005, 11:46 AM
Hey Guys,

I am going to be the test mule for some Ecutek tuning here in Sacramento. Very respected subaru tuner Nate Sansa will be tuning my car with the Ecutek software, full dyno tuning on their Mustang Dyno here in Sacramento. Nate and Joe from Alfas and Subarus/S-squared have been fantastic to work with by the way, and are knowledgeble about the evo as well as STIs. They have done a lot of installation work for me, and have been helpful concerning track set up issues as well. Hopefully I'll have some excellent numbers to brag with in the next few weeks. Nate and Joe will most likely be at T-hill the 27th with their tent and software. So, stay "tuned" for more!! Nate says that conservatively I should be looking at least 50 more WHP dyno-tuned with my mods, whcih are Works 269 cams, full exhaust, thottle body (basically Works TR-340 kit). Thi should be able to be done SAFELY as well. I'm hoping to get closer to Vishnu levels of power safely....we'll see.


Percy

SouthernCrane
06-29-2005, 12:55 PM
Sounds good P. Let us know how the Ecutek tuning goes.

vtluu
06-29-2005, 01:01 PM
LUCKY! :)

wilson1
06-29-2005, 02:36 PM
Sounds good, Percy!

Please postup after.

jbigelow
06-29-2005, 04:35 PM
i talked to joe and he said you were getting the stuff done.

let me know how it goes,
john

Evo442
06-29-2005, 05:55 PM
Hey Guys,

I am going to be the test mule for some Ecutek tuning here in Sacramento. Very respected subaru tuner Nate Sansa will be tuning my car with the Ecutek software, full dyno tuning on their Mustang Dyno here in Sacramento. Nate and Joe from Alfas and Subarus/S-squared have been fantastic to work with by the way, and are knowledgeble about the evo as well as STIs. They have done a lot of installation work for me, and have been helpful concerning track set up issues as well. Hopefully I'll have some excellent numbers to brag with in the next few weeks. Nate and Joe will most likely be at T-hill the 27th with their tent and software. So, stay "tuned" for more!! Nate says that conservatively I should be looking at least 50 more WHP dyno-tuned with my mods, whcih are Works 269 cams, full exhaust, thottle body (basically Works TR-340 kit). Thi should be able to be done SAFELY as well. I'm hoping to get closer to Vishnu levels of power safely....we'll see.


Percy

Good luck, percy - I'll be very interested to see your before and after dyno's....

onesicklambo
06-29-2005, 06:04 PM
what is the name of the shop in sacramento that your are going to?

LEVIII
06-29-2005, 07:08 PM
what is the name of the shop in sacramento that your are going to?

+1

evo_dadi
06-29-2005, 07:29 PM
sounds good percy :twisted:

earlyapex
06-29-2005, 08:01 PM
Nate says that conservatively I should be looking at least 50 more WHP dyno-tuned with my mods, whcih are Works 269 cams, full exhaust, thottle body (basically Works TR-340 kit).


What did you dyno with the Works ECU and TR340 kit?

hagakure
06-29-2005, 08:13 PM
I've always been very unhappy with the power my car put down. I put down 241 WHP and 241 ft pounds of torque on S-squared's mustang dyno with the TR-340 package. Might have a weak car, but I suspect the numbers will be better with a distinct dyno tune. I think some cars are just tweaky enough that an off the shelf tune will not account for it's particular idiosyncracities...wish me luck, I'm leaving the car with them for a few weeks tommorow. The Shop is Alfa's and Subarus. Nate Sansa merged his business S-squared with them. They are on Sunbeam in downtown sac, off 12 street. Very very good reputation in the Subaru community, check with the i-club guys, and now they are moving to include tuning Evos.


Percy

LEVIII
06-29-2005, 08:16 PM
Good luck!!!!


Do you by chance know if they tune the TurboXS UTEC?

earlyapex
06-29-2005, 08:20 PM
I've always been very unhappy with the power my car put down. I put down 241 WHP and 241 ft pounds of torque on S-squared's mustang dyno with the TR-340 package. Might have a weak car, but I suspect the numbers will be better with a distinct dyno tune. I think some cars are just tweaky enough that an off the shelf tune will not account for it's particular idiosyncracities...wish me luck, I'm leaving the car with them for a few weeks tommorow. The Shop is Alfa's and Subarus. Nate Sansa merged his business S-squared with them. They are on Sunbeam in downtown sac, off 12 street. Very very good reputation in the Subaru community, check with the i-club guys, and now they are moving to include tuning Evos.


Percy

Remember I came from a WRX before the EVO. :D I know about S-squared.

ok 50whp sounds about right, right around 290whp or so. Should be nice. That's what I am shooting with adding cams and more fiddling with my current 264whp tune.

241 whp with cams and TR340 is uhm... errr... :?

What cams come with the TR340? 264's or something?

hagakure
06-29-2005, 08:21 PM
Good luck!!!!


Do you by chance know if they tune the TurboXS UTEC?


I do believe that Nate is very proficient in working with the UTEC.


Percy

hagakure
06-29-2005, 08:22 PM
I've always been very unhappy with the power my car put down. I put down 241 WHP and 241 ft pounds of torque on S-squared's mustang dyno with the TR-340 package. Might have a weak car, but I suspect the numbers will be better with a distinct dyno tune. I think some cars are just tweaky enough that an off the shelf tune will not account for it's particular idiosyncracities...wish me luck, I'm leaving the car with them for a few weeks tommorow. The Shop is Alfa's and Subarus. Nate Sansa merged his business S-squared with them. They are on Sunbeam in downtown sac, off 12 street. Very very good reputation in the Subaru community, check with the i-club guys, and now they are moving to include tuning Evos.


Percy

Remember I came from a WRX before the EVO. :D I know about S-squared.

ok 50whp sounds about right, right around 290whp or so. Should be nice. That's what I am shooting with adding cams and more fiddling with my current 264whp tune.

241 whp with cams and TR340 is uhm... errr... :?

What cams come with the TR340? 264's or something?



No,

Work's 269's.....

My car is weak, no doubt, but no one has been able to diagnose any specific mechanical problem. So, on to the next step!


Percy

Evo442
06-29-2005, 08:47 PM
what is the name of the shop in sacramento that your are going to?

The shop is subaru specialists. Nate was the proprieter of S-Squared until he closed shop and brought his talants (and mustang dyno) to Subaru Specialists. Their number is 916-442-6409 if anyone is interested.

hagakure
06-29-2005, 09:25 PM
David,

Thanks for the correction on the shop name...:) Still going by the old name!


Percy

GST
06-29-2005, 11:10 PM
Your in good hands with Nate, not only is he a decent bloke he also knows his tuning.

Mike

Evo442
06-30-2005, 06:33 AM
Hey Percy - got your suspension in yet?

hagakure
06-30-2005, 07:04 AM
Suspension is going in today and tommorrow. IT took me some time to source all the parts!

Percy

blitzkrgCT9A
07-01-2005, 10:21 PM
I've always been very unhappy with the power my car put down. I put down 241 WHP and 241 ft pounds of torque on S-squared's mustang dyno with the TR-340 package. Might have a weak car, but I suspect the numbers will be better with a distinct dyno tune. I think some cars are just tweaky enough that an off the shelf tune will not account for it's particular idiosyncracities...wish me luck, I'm leaving the car with them for a few weeks tommorow. The Shop is Alfa's and Subarus. Nate Sansa merged his business S-squared with them. They are on Sunbeam in downtown sac, off 12 street. Very very good reputation in the Subaru community, check with the i-club guys, and now they are moving to include tuning Evos.


Percy

Remember I came from a WRX before the EVO. :D I know about S-squared.

ok 50whp sounds about right, right around 290whp or so. Should be nice. That's what I am shooting with adding cams and more fiddling with my current 264whp tune.

241 whp with cams and TR340 is uhm... errr... :?

What cams come with the TR340? 264's or something?



No,

Work's 269's.....

My car is weak, no doubt, but no one has been able to diagnose any specific mechanical problem. So, on to the next step!


Percy

with cams and basic bolt-ons (full TBE, boost control, and etc), you should be at about 285-300whp with a good tune.

Gruppe-S
07-12-2005, 04:36 PM
Here is my dyno sheet with HKS 272/272 and a lil bit of boost leak.

http://www.gruppe-s.com/Promo/TomDyno.jpg

Thanks,
Tom

Matz
07-12-2005, 05:28 PM
Not sure if this is off topic, but... I was looking at WORKS' site last night, when I noticed that they have the P2 flash listed, as well as a P2e flash, which has something to Ecutek. What's the difference? Did the Ecutek guys help with the tuning? Maybe more specific maps?

hagakure
07-12-2005, 05:34 PM
I've always been very unhappy with the power my car put down. I put down 241 WHP and 241 ft pounds of torque on S-squared's mustang dyno with the TR-340 package. Might have a weak car, but I suspect the numbers will be better with a distinct dyno tune. I think some cars are just tweaky enough that an off the shelf tune will not account for it's particular idiosyncracities...wish me luck, I'm leaving the car with them for a few weeks tommorow. The Shop is Alfa's and Subarus. Nate Sansa merged his business S-squared with them. They are on Sunbeam in downtown sac, off 12 street. Very very good reputation in the Subaru community, check with the i-club guys, and now they are moving to include tuning Evos.


Percy

Remember I came from a WRX before the EVO. :D I know about S-squared.

ok 50whp sounds about right, right around 290whp or so. Should be nice. That's what I am shooting with adding cams and more fiddling with my current 264whp tune.

241 whp with cams and TR340 is uhm... errr... :?

What cams come with the TR340? 264's or something?



No,

Work's 269's.....

My car is weak, no doubt, but no one has been able to diagnose any specific mechanical problem. So, on to the next step!


Percy

with cams and basic bolt-ons (full TBE, boost control, and etc), you should be at about 285-300whp with a good tune.


Percy[/quote]


Want to reiterate that I do not think that the problem is the P2, I think the problem is that my car is one of those "idiosyncratic" cars that is a variant, and therefore needs a specific dyno-tune to correct for it's individuality as it were. If I can get 285 on a Mustang Dyno, I'll be happy, as that translates to probably 360-370 HP to the crank. Hopefully it will be with the smooth response and civility that marked the works tune.


Percy

Jamie@WORKS
07-12-2005, 05:54 PM
Not sure if this is off topic, but... I was looking at WORKS' site last night, when I noticed that they have the P2 flash listed, as well as a P2e flash, which has something to Ecutek. What's the difference? Did the Ecutek guys help with the tuning? Maybe more specific maps?

The WORKS/EcuTek flash isn't going to be different than the WORKS flash once it's in the car. It's the same tool, just a different brand.

GST
07-12-2005, 09:28 PM
Not sure if this is off topic, but... I was looking at WORKS' site last night, when I noticed that they have the P2 flash listed, as well as a P2e flash, which has something to Ecutek. What's the difference? Did the Ecutek guys help with the tuning? Maybe more specific maps?

The WORKS/EcuTek flash isn't going to be different than the WORKS flash once it's in the car. It's the same tool, just a different brand.

Isn't it a different tool? with the same end?

I would imagine EcuTek would say that their tool is nothing like the Techtom except perhaps in the end result if the tuners have had the ability to understand the layout of the ECU with the Techtom to the same or greater degree than the much more usable and user friendly EcuTek softare interface.

Mike

GST
07-12-2005, 09:34 PM
Percy keep us updated on how it goes, I am sure Nate will do a stand up job as always. I would imagine your setup should make 265whp+ with a nice torque curve due to the cams.

Mike

earlyapex
07-12-2005, 11:40 PM
I would imagine your setup should make 265whp+ with a nice torque curve due to the cams.

God I hope so! :shock:

GokuSSJ4
07-13-2005, 10:03 AM
I would imagine your setup should make 265whp+ with a nice torque curve due to the cams.

God I hope so! :shock:
from a mustang dyno vs a dynojet, whats the percentage in difference ??
since cars with out cams have done (on a dynojet) over 300whp on 91 octane
with cams between 315-325whp w/9.8 hotside
same as above but with 10.5 hotside 330-345whp

hagakure
07-13-2005, 10:35 AM
about a 15-20% difference theoretically.


Percy

Absinthe
07-13-2005, 05:45 PM
I would imagine your setup should make 265whp+ with a nice torque curve due to the cams.

God I hope so! :shock:
from a mustang dyno vs a dynojet, whats the percentage in difference ??
since cars with out cams have done (on a dynojet) over 300whp on 91 octane
with cams between 315-325whp w/9.8 hotside
same as above but with 10.5 hotside 330-345whp

yes but those cars aren't safe as implied above....

GokuSSJ4
07-14-2005, 10:44 AM
you don't think your tune is safe ??? why ?

Evo442
07-16-2005, 09:47 PM
Any updates Percy?

hagakure
07-16-2005, 11:20 PM
Nate is working on the car this next week, It should be tuned and ready to go by next thursday....Will let you guys see the results at the Gruppe S Dyno day.

Percy

Steiner
07-20-2005, 05:52 PM
Nate is working on the car this next week, It should be tuned and ready to go by next thursday....Will let you guys see the results at the Gruppe S Dyno day.

Percy

Any news Percy? I'm interested in the EcuTek flash also but there's so much confusion about it. Do you know if you'll need a pill (like the WORKS P2 flash) or MBC (like in Al's Dynoflashes) to hold boost to redline...or does the EcuTek flash accomplish all of that with the factory hardware?

hagakure
07-20-2005, 10:24 PM
I should have some news tommorrow, Nate worked on my car all day today. You do NOT need a special boost hose, etc. Hoping for good numbers. Last I spoke with Nate and Joe, they had the car ont he Dyno, and said there was A LOT of headroom for safe improvement of power over my current tune.....We'll soon see what that means! When I get my car back it will have a lot more power, as well as a drasitcally improved suspension set-up! Should be lot's of fun!!


Percy

Jamie@WORKS
07-21-2005, 09:53 AM
Any news Percy? I'm interested in the EcuTek flash also but there's so much confusion about it. Do you know if you'll need a pill (like the WORKS P2 flash) or MBC (like in Al's Dynoflashes) to hold boost to redline...or does the EcuTek flash accomplish all of that with the factory hardware?

You might find this to be an interseting read: http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=149000

Steiner
07-21-2005, 10:20 AM
Any news Percy? I'm interested in the EcuTek flash also but there's so much confusion about it. Do you know if you'll need a pill (like the WORKS P2 flash) or MBC (like in Al's Dynoflashes) to hold boost to redline...or does the EcuTek flash accomplish all of that with the factory hardware?

You might find this to be an interseting read: http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=149000

Awesome stuff Jamie. I've been doing all sorts of searches on the EvoM boards using "EcuTek" as the key word so I guess that's why I never came across this.

So I guess the next question is, that even with an EcuTek flash, folks won't be able to hold more than 19psi to redline without some sort of additional hardware. Is that 100% correct?

Jamie@WORKS
07-21-2005, 12:14 PM
Any news Percy? I'm interested in the EcuTek flash also but there's so much confusion about it. Do you know if you'll need a pill (like the WORKS P2 flash) or MBC (like in Al's Dynoflashes) to hold boost to redline...or does the EcuTek flash accomplish all of that with the factory hardware?

You might find this to be an interseting read: http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=149000

Awesome stuff Jamie. I've been doing all sorts of searches on the EvoM boards using "EcuTek" as the key word so I guess that's why I never came across this.

So I guess the next question is, that even with an EcuTek flash, folks won't be able to hold more than 19psi to redline without some sort of additional hardware. Is that 100% correct?

That's correct. While the boost can be altered, it's impossible to do anything in the software to overcome the mechanical limitations of the OEM line. Therefore, don't expect to see more than ~18PSI at redline, let alone the rev limiter.

Black_EVO
07-24-2005, 09:14 AM
Before I left the Bay Area (April), SRM was testing this flash. I was interested in puchasing one but it was still too new and needed more testing. Had some problems with the ECU pulling timing. I beleieve the way the boost is controlled is through maniplulating the wastgate. I am not an expert so don't quote me. That is just how it was explained to me. I am very curious to see what the final results are.

Steiner
07-24-2005, 09:53 PM
Before I left the Bay Area (April), SRM was testing this flash. I was interested in puchasing one but it was still too new and needed more testing. Had some problems with the ECU pulling timing. I beleieve the way the boost is controlled is through maniplulating the wastgate. I am not an expert so don't quote me. That is just how it was explained to me. I am very curious to see what the final results are.

I was at SRM in early May and both Snorre and Oliver had nothing but good things to say about the EcuTek flashes. Hopefully whatever problems they ran into in April were fixed in May.