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TylerO@WORKS
10-05-2005, 12:58 PM
'05 GSR
WORKS 3 inch TBE with RTP
Standard P2 Flash, 91 octane

http://www.norcalevo.net/gallery/albums/album169/Dyno1.jpg

earlyapex
10-05-2005, 01:12 PM
who's mustang dyno?

What was the difference between the base run and the test run?

Where did the beginning and the end of the graph go?

methods4
10-05-2005, 01:24 PM
286whp on Muffstain dyno with just P2 and a turbo back?

WTF did that car dyno stock?

TylerO@WORKS
10-05-2005, 02:36 PM
Dyno from the nice people at "Fine Line Imports LLC"

The run was started at 2500 and ends at 7000. This is a customer’s dyno sheet which they have provided to us.

No changes made between runs. The customer did not dyno the car stock. A stock '05 puts down 215-240 stock on a mustang dyno usually.

wilson1
10-05-2005, 02:44 PM
i knew those 05's are strong!

earlyapex
10-05-2005, 02:54 PM
A stock '05 puts down 215-240 stock on a mustang dyno usually.

So what do 05's dyno stock on that dyno?

No changes made in both runs but peak torque happens 750rpms lower in the 2nd run?

methods4
10-05-2005, 03:00 PM
Dyno from the nice people at "Fine Line Imports LLC"

The run was started at 2500 and ends at 7000. This is a customer’s dyno sheet which they have provided to us.

No changes made between runs. The customer did not dyno the car stock. A stock '05 puts down 215-240 stock on a mustang dyno usually.

So those mods netted him between 48whp and 73whp? :methods4:

I'm sure this P2/TBE combo has been tested on other dynos. Is that the power gain they usually net?

009
10-05-2005, 03:22 PM
ummm nice number, just wow
how about gruppe-s dyno?
and what is different in dyno machine? soem oen enlight me pls? 8)

thomas
10-05-2005, 03:29 PM
:shock: damn those numbers look good. :shock:

my '03 definitely does not make that. same mods too.

different car of course :wink:

ZK
10-05-2005, 03:31 PM
I'd really like to see what my stock 05 can run... Why such a big range? 215-240 is a pretty big spread!

chris
10-05-2005, 03:38 PM
holy crap haha. i hope mines are higher than that now that im custom tuned. =P

methods4
10-05-2005, 04:10 PM
Tommy,

Since you have the exact same mods as that guy, I bet your car will make something close to that number on *that* dyno since the only real difference between that car and yours is the 10.5 hot side. Well, give or take 25whp. :roll:

Gruppe-S
10-05-2005, 06:31 PM
Wow...thats pretty impressive for only those mods!

Just for some Dyno comparisons...here are some dyno graphs (w/ Works P2 flash) on our free dyno day:

http://www.gruppe-s.com/DynoDay/AliK.jpg
http://www.gruppe-s.com/DynoDay/DannyS.jpg
http://www.gruppe-s.com/DynoDay/KimN.jpg
http://www.gruppe-s.com/DynoDay/JohnM.jpg
http://www.gruppe-s.com/DynoDay/MattH.jpg

10.5 Hotside(typo on the graph)
http://www.gruppe-s.com/DynoDay/MarkW.jpg

Thanks,
Tom

evo_dadi
10-05-2005, 08:25 PM
damn and no cams also :shock: how many psi and afr?

missred
10-05-2005, 08:27 PM
damn and no cams also :shock: how many psi and afr?

+1

SouthernCrane
10-05-2005, 08:35 PM
The Gruppe-S dyno definitely reads lower than this one, for reference, at Gruppe-S with P2, catback, and throttle body, my car made 234WHP and 247TQ, i wouldn't think that a DP and TP would give me an a additiona 40-50 HP and TQ.

Good numbers it looks like, but stock numbers on that dyno will help.

L84AD8
10-05-2005, 08:52 PM
damn and no cams also :shock: how many psi and afr?

+1

+2 I'm pretty skeptical... I didn't know you can get those numbers just off of those mods. Maybe I should put that P2 next on my to buy list! :roll:

Evo442
10-05-2005, 09:15 PM
I noticed some people with the Works custom P2 flash. What kinds of gains did you see over the stock P2?

blitzkrgCT9A
10-05-2005, 09:25 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

L84AD8
10-05-2005, 09:32 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

+1

Let me know so that I can put that #1 on my buyout list!!! 8)

evo_dadi
10-05-2005, 09:39 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

i think i see another dyno day coming up :wink: :lol:

blitzkrgCT9A
10-05-2005, 09:47 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

i think i see another dyno day coming up :wink: :lol:

It will be up to mike :lol:

this friday will be my last day at gruppe-s :)

L84AD8
10-05-2005, 09:51 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

i think i see another dyno day coming up :wink: :lol:

It will be up to mike :lol:

this friday will be my last day at gruppe-s :)

No shit! Damn, good luck on whatever you do. Thanks for hookin' me up on some parts man! Your the only guy I would want to talk to over there. Excellent service man. Btw, are you opening up your own shop?

earlyapex
10-05-2005, 11:04 PM
Wow...thats pretty impressive for only those mods!

Just for some Dyno comparisons...here are some dyno graphs (w/ Works P2 flash) on our free dyno day:


Tom

So we can pretty much say that the fineline mustang dyno reads much much higher then the gruppe-s dyno since people with more mods and P2 where making almost 30whp less.

I'd probably break 300whp on that dyno. hahha

blitzkrgCT9A
10-05-2005, 11:15 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

i think i see another dyno day coming up :wink: :lol:

It will be up to mike :lol:

this friday will be my last day at gruppe-s :)

No shit! Damn, good luck on whatever you do. Thanks for hookin' me up on some parts man! Your the only guy I would want to talk to over there. Excellent service man. Btw, are you opening up your own shop?

Hey Thanks! :) but i am not sure what im gonna do next.. for sure i will be traveling for a lil bit and take a break.. then decide what will do next. For sure I will stay in the same industry. :) Keep in touch! PM me if you need anything :)

jeffreywrc
10-05-2005, 11:16 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

i think i see another dyno day coming up :wink: :lol:

It will be up to mike :lol:

this friday will be my last day at gruppe-s :)

:shock: :shock: :shock:

GST
10-05-2005, 11:39 PM
Impressive numbers with just TBE and reflash. Its either the car is one freak or p2 flash has improved w/ dyno sessions. Only way to find out is have that guy come down to gruppe-s and see what kind of number it puts out. last time i checked, both FLI and Gruppe-S dyno setup were very similar.

Typically we see about a 11-15% variance, only real way to tell is to dyno same car same day. We did test exactly that on a WRX at the FLI grand openning and it yielded a 13% difference.

earlyapex
10-05-2005, 11:49 PM
Typically we see about a 11-15% variance, only real way to tell is to dyno same car same day. We did test exactly that on a WRX at the FLI grand openning and it yielded a 13% difference.

So that car would make approx 248whp / 240wtq on the gruppe-s dyno?

SouthernCrane
10-06-2005, 07:18 AM
So that car would make approx 248whp / 240wtq on the gruppe-s dyno?

I'm getting 253whp/245wtq on the Gruppe-S dyno for an estimation of 13% difference. Which seems about right to me, given that TP and DP will normally add about 20whp from just my catback. TQ seems a bit low since without TP and DP i dynoed at 247wtq at Gruppe-S (but different dyno different day).

nebolic
10-06-2005, 09:25 AM
okay where is FLI????

Is it in california, or better yet is it in norcal?

If it is,i'll be williing to go to gruppe-s dyno my shit then go to FLI.

nebo

EIPracing
10-06-2005, 09:56 AM
the number seems possible, http://www.norcalevo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6147
because we dyno on our mustang on the 05 and that boost peaks at 21psi and drop down to 17psi, if we pump the psi up around 4k-7k for sure that will get up to 280hp
Nice WORK!!! :D



okay where is FLI????

Is it in california, or better yet is it in norcal?

If it is,i'll be williing to go to gruppe-s dyno my shit then go to FLI.

nebo

Gruppe-S
10-06-2005, 10:54 AM
okay where is FLI????

Is it in california, or better yet is it in norcal?

If it is,i'll be williing to go to gruppe-s dyno my shit then go to FLI.

nebo

They are in Santa Rosa.

Tom

nebolic
10-06-2005, 11:13 AM
okie let me try to set something up so i can hit up FLI and Gruppe-S on the same day and draw a comparison between the 2.

Will that make everyone happy :D and it can draw a pretty close comparison?

nebo

methods4
10-06-2005, 11:17 AM
I'm still not sure why everyone is impressed with those numbers since there is no stock baseline off of that particular dyno.

So am I reading this right? WORKS claims 48whp - 73whp gain with just the TBE and P2? I'm not sure what the point of the original post was. Anyone else have any dyno numbers from FLI?

TylerO@WORKS
10-06-2005, 11:22 AM
okie let me try to set something up so i can hit up FLI and Gruppe-S on the same day and draw a comparison between the 2.

Will that make everyone happy :D and it can draw a pretty close comparison?

nebo

Sounds like a good idea!


methods4, we aren't claiming anything, and you are right that with out a same day baseline the numbers aren't that important. Then again dyno numbers don't really translate to how a car responds on the road, on any dyno. What I really wanted to show was the overall torque curve, which as you can see is pretty nice for such a low level of mods.

Anyways I'm just posting a Dyno sheet that a customer asked us to. 8)

methods4
10-06-2005, 11:23 AM
okie let me try to set something up so i can hit up FLI and Gruppe-S on the same day and draw a comparison between the 2.

Will that make everyone happy :D and it can draw a pretty close comparison?

nebo

IMO, this was already done.


Typically we see about a 11-15% variance, only real way to tell is to dyno same car same day. We did test exactly that on a WRX at the FLI grand openning and it yielded a 13% difference.

So basically that car produced average numbers for a car equipped with P2 and TBE.

Edited: for civility!

methods4
10-06-2005, 11:28 AM
methods4, we aren't claiming anything, and you are right that with out a same day baseline the numbers aren't that important. Then again dyno numbers don't really translate to how a car responds on the road, on any dyno. What I really wanted to show was the overall torque curve, which as you can see is pretty nice for such a low level of mods.

Anyways I'm just posting a Dyno sheet that a customer asked us to. 8)

Ah okie. :P

thomas
10-06-2005, 05:27 PM
Tommy,

Since you have the exact same mods as that guy, I bet your car will make something close to that number on *that* dyno since the only real difference between that car and yours is the 10.5 hot side. Well, give or take 25whp. :roll:

yea i wish...10.5 hotside yielding 25whp...sign me up!

Evo442
10-06-2005, 06:51 PM
okie let me try to set something up so i can hit up FLI and Gruppe-S on the same day and draw a comparison between the 2.

Will that make everyone happy :D and it can draw a pretty close comparison?

nebo

Hey Nebo - while you're at it, why not include subaru specialists in Sacramento for the Sac town crowd...

Start at one and move on to the next, and compare the numbers and settings at the end of the day.

SouthernCrane
10-06-2005, 08:26 PM
Hey Nebo - while you're at it, why not include subaru specialists in Sacramento for the Sac town crowd...

Start at one and move on to the next, and compare the numbers and settings at the end of the day.

If you did that, i would chip in to help the cause.......for the good of the Evo community :D

Nobodyx
10-06-2005, 09:52 PM
Nice. I've got an appt. to go into Works tomorrow for a reflash. Looking forward to the butt dyno gains.

earlyapex
10-06-2005, 10:10 PM
Do I sense a mutiny?

nebolic
10-07-2005, 08:37 AM
okie let me try to set something up so i can hit up FLI and Gruppe-S on the same day and draw a comparison between the 2.

Will that make everyone happy :D and it can draw a pretty close comparison?

nebo

Hey Nebo - while you're at it, why not include subaru specialists in Sacramento for the Sac town crowd...

Start at one and move on to the next, and compare the numbers and settings at the end of the day.

i would but S-Squared are always busy, I'm an impulse buyer, i always want my stuff right away or within a few days, everytime i called for a base dyno run, they're fully booked for the next 3 weeks. It's tough since that's the only 4WD dyno in sac....

nebo

neogenetik
10-07-2005, 08:51 AM
also i think s-squared wont book you
because they dont allow cars with umbers below 100hp and trq :evil:

nebolic
10-07-2005, 09:02 AM
also i think s-squared wont book you
because they dont allow cars with umbers below 100hp and trq :evil:

hahaha thats true, it'll waste their time hahhahaha

nebo

Lance
10-10-2005, 03:07 PM
If you do decide to really do this, you should take a NA car. A NA car will lessen a lot of factors that are involved when on a dyno. For one, intake air temp doesn't affect a NA motor as much as a turbo would. NA cars are always more consistant run after run. Load variation for turbo cars will most likely differ from dyno to dyno, where as for a NA car the change should not be significant.

If somebody does decide to do the drive to different dyno's in one day, we'll a give one away for the cause to see how much our dyno differs from others. We go nothing to hide. It's all a big learning curve.

nebolic
10-10-2005, 04:35 PM
so when is a good day for you guys, i'll probably take a day off work so i can hit up everyone, most likely a friday or something, i'll work my way up, hopefully i'll go from Gruppe-S, SRM, FLC and then S-Squared...

nebo

evo_dadi
10-10-2005, 04:39 PM
hey eddy make a list of what youre gonna be doing since driving in between dyno sessions makes the car hot.so before you start every dyno session note it that you took like a 10-15 min cooldown before dynoing just to make it all the same whenver you start it.

nebolic
10-10-2005, 05:02 PM
will do, it's gonna cost $$$$ to do this, dyno's average around $80-$120, if i hit all 4 up, it's gonna cost me close to $400. I'll make sure to do the experiment right. Hopefully i can set it up real soon and i'll video tape it.

nebo

MarkSAE
10-10-2005, 05:16 PM
Is it going to be worth all the money and trouble dynoing at all four places? Sometimes, dynoing on the same dyno on different days can change #s. And getting just 3-4 runs at each place may not get you enough conclusive data.

I don't know why some people get so riled up by dyno #s. Ultimately, it's the #s your car puts out at the track that matters.

GST
10-11-2005, 09:41 AM
I don't know why some people get so riled up by dyno #s. Ultimately, it's the #s your car puts out at the track that matters.

Agreed or if your hell bent on playing the numbers game then the importance should be the before and after results not the after results only.

A Dyno is only a tool guys.

Mike

SouthernCrane
10-11-2005, 10:26 AM
If somebody does decide to do the drive to different dyno's in one day, we'll a give one away for the cause to see how much our dyno differs from others. We go nothing to hide. It's all a big learning curve.

Well, that is one less place where you will have to pay. I will put in 20-40 bucks for the cause.

nebolic
10-11-2005, 02:01 PM
okay here is my question to everyone, since everyone is so wishy washy.

first people complain that this certain mod is average gains or whatever for the dyno.

now that i'm going to test the variances between the dynos, we have people saying that dyno is only a number and it's not important.

So here is my question then, why is it that everytime someone posts up dyno charts and numbers, there's always posts about "oh its not impressive, and those aren't good numbers".

Do people really not care about dyno numbers, or do they just like to argue for the sake of argument?

FYI, I have never dynoed my car because I myself don't care about what numbers my car puts down.

nebo

ZK
10-11-2005, 02:06 PM
I'd like to see the same car on different dynos so its easier to compare numbers between the dynos. That's a great idea.

Nebo, are you going to pay for this all yourself? Maybe the shops can help pay for it as it is free advertising for them.

nebolic
10-11-2005, 02:32 PM
I'd like to see the same car on different dynos so its easier to compare numbers between the dynos. That's a great idea.

Nebo, are you going to pay for this all yourself? Maybe the shops can help pay for it as it is free advertising for them.

yes it will be out of pocket expense, if i get the dates down right, members in the vicinity of the dyno can come watch. I'll video tape the whole procedure too.

nebo

MarkSAE
10-11-2005, 02:38 PM
That's a huge out-of-pocket expense to run this experiment. That's why I pointed out that it's probably not worth the money and trouble. If it were free or relatively low cost, I'm all for it just to get a comparison between different dynos.

nebolic
10-11-2005, 02:39 PM
That's a huge out-of-pocket expense to run this experiment. That's why I pointed out that it's probably not worth the money and trouble. If it were free or relatively low cost, I'm all for it just to get a comparison between different dynos.

i'll try to work something out with these guys.

nebo

L84AD8
10-11-2005, 07:32 PM
That's a huge out-of-pocket expense to run this experiment. That's why I pointed out that it's probably not worth the money and trouble. If it were free or relatively low cost, I'm all for it just to get a comparison between different dynos.

i'll try to work something out with these guys.

nebo

Thanks eddy for taking the initiative and leadership to get us some good dyno numbers. All in all, I think everyone here is curious about it and the NCE folks would benefit from your efforts. 8)

evo_dadi
10-11-2005, 07:54 PM
numbers did never bothered me its just funny how they start jumping on you for not having enough or any secrets to it why its reading high :lol: all it matters to me is my butt dyno :lol: if it feels fast wo/ any issues or hiccups then that means the car is pretty safe and running good.

thomas
10-11-2005, 08:52 PM
it shouldnt be a big concern what our cars put down...but it is nice to kno that different modifications yield different HP gains.

i think the argument here is not how much power is gained thru those mods, but more of people wanting to argue that the HP posted is not true, meaning, false advertisment.

all the above can be sooo varied that arguments juss seem to brew b/c no one believes anyone anymore..."WORKS put down this much HP, Gruppe-S put down this much HP, S-squared put this down and VISHNU did this...yada yada yada"

i guess its just hard to believe anyone when so much shit is in the air. i, for one, do believe in WORKS and their products. you guys can give me shit for that, but i dont care. i think WORKS has been and is one of the more reputable and respectable tuner companies that i kno and am very pleased to have them up here in NORCAL.

OT: nebo is a walking cash machine. no one need to worry about his funds...it is bottomless. he ALWAYS has cash :D :wink: haha j/k homie.

piece.