View Full Version : Does WORKS use ECUTEK software for reflashes?
I'm looking to get my ECU reflashed sometime very soon, I was wondering if WORKS uses ECUTEK to reflash ECUs, or some other program such as Techtom. I'm looking closely at the P2 Brainflash, anyone here using it? If so, what's your opinions and review on it?
Oh BTW, I just went on their site and it says they dont do dyno tuning. WTF. How can they extract any power out of the car without tuning it? I saw some dyno plots of WORKS customer cars with the usual mods (TBE, cams, their Brainflash, etc) and the car only made 250whp. Kinda low. I see ECUTEK tuned cars from other tuners with similar mods making 290-300whp on the same dyno. What's going on??!
EvoRicer
03-13-2006, 02:15 AM
I talked to Works a few months ago about Custom Tuning Alky...they told me that don't like to tune on a dyno becuz it is not as accurate as road tuning or something like that. They said that they have a course for road tuning...
WORKS has P2 flashes using a couple of different packages. One for sure is EcuTek, as that's the P2e. The "standard" P2 uses something else, but I don't know what it is.
I think they tuned the base P2 flashes on the road (the "course" is most likely San Francisco), but they can tune on the dyno as well. If you want this, you can get a "custom" P2 flash. From what I've heard, this involves you and Pete driving to Full Function, where he does some tuning on the way, and then you get tuned on the dyno, and then the flash is validated on the road on the way back to WORKS.
Evo442
03-13-2006, 06:51 AM
Works can reflash your car with both the techtom program or ecutek. my understanding is that either reflash will do the same thing, its just a different means to the same end. The ecutek is a little more expensive because you have to pay for the ecutek license fee. I'm pretty sure that Works makes more money off of a techtom reflash than a ecutek flash because of the license issue.
As far as the P2 flash itself, do a search and you'll find plenty of opinions. I've had a P2 flash for 2 years now. FWIW, IMHO - the Works P2 flash is a safe performance boost which works well in a variety of evos in a variety of different environments. It holds boost till redline w/o using a MBC or EBC, so is stealthy. It is a conservative (but effective) tune and certainly not a max power tune. I ran my evo through 10+ track days last year, some in 100+ degree weather, and my Works tuned car has not blown up.
Being a conservative flash, there is certainly more power to be gained with a custom tune - either by Works or someone else.
As far as dyno tuning vs road tuning, that debate has gone around forever. IMHO, a combination of the two is the best. Tune it on the dyno and then see how it works in the real world. Either method has different strengths and weaknesses. The shops that have paid money for a dyno put a lot of value on dyno tuning, the shops that dont have a dyno probably put more value on road tuning. If Works really believed in dyno tuning, my guess is that they'd buy a dyno.
If you want a Works dyno tune, its not that they cant do it, its that its expensive. You have to rent the dyno time (like at SRM or something) and then also pay for Pete's time to tune it. $$$$$$$!! A road tune is cheaper, because you are just paying for Pete's time.
sorry for the long post.
good luck!
Evo442
03-13-2006, 06:57 AM
Oh BTW, I just went on their site and it says they dont do dyno tuning. WTF. How can they extract any power out of the car without tuning it?
Dyno tuning is not the end all, be all, it is one means to an end. If you hate the idea of road tuning, you should see how some of the Japanese tuners tune their cars...
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
:shock:
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
:!: :shock:
Those Japanese.
:lol:
SouthernCrane
03-13-2006, 08:18 AM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
:!: :shock:
Those Japanese.
:lol:
:lol:
JanSolo
03-13-2006, 09:53 AM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
:!: :shock:
Those Japanese.
:lol:
And they adjusted suspension by jumping up and down on the car in their socks. No joke.
ECUTek software has a really nice interface but access to less maps depending on the skill of the tuner to do some reverse engineering. You become dependent on ECUTek for updates whereas Techtom requires the tuner to actually know something beyond the theory of engine tuning.
earlyapex
03-13-2006, 09:55 AM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
bwhahhaha. I tune my farts on how my ass cheeks move as I walk.
Speaking of Japanese tuners... My previous car (240SX) I had my Power FC road tuned/dyno tuned by Shigenori Ara from Zero Sports Japan. The guy did not know any English at all. We had a translator present to communicate through. He came to the US to tune some WRXs and agreed to do my Nissan as he's tuned SR motors before. He logged a good 10 hours just doing the road tune with all sorts of instruments, wideband O2 and dataloggers plugged in. Afterwards he ran it on the AWD Mustang dyno over at Subaru Specialists and tweaked it a bit more. The changes from the road tune was minimal and mostly corrections for pulls in different gears as you can't do top speed pulls on the street. :lol:
Oh yeah.. and my engine blew up a month after my tune. It ran too hot and melted the exhaust valves on the #3 cylinder. Car had tons of power before it blew though. He may be a good Subaru tuner but probably lacked the tools and knowledge to tune Nissans.
hagakure
03-13-2006, 10:53 AM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
:!: :shock:
Those Japanese.
:lol:
And they adjusted suspension by jumping up and down on the car in their socks. No joke.
ECUTek software has a really nice interface but access to less maps depending on the skill of the tuner to do some reverse engineering. You become dependent on ECUTek for updates whereas Techtom requires the tuner to actually know something beyond the theory of engine tuning.
Road tuning, Dyno tuning...whatever. I just want a car that runs strong, is safe, and predicatable. And to that end no one in norcal but Mike at Gruppe S ever touches my car to tune it again.
Jamie@WORKS
03-13-2006, 11:03 AM
I'm looking to get my ECU reflashed sometime very soon, I was wondering if WORKS uses ECUTEK to reflash ECUs, or some other program such as Techtom. I'm looking closely at the P2 Brainflash, anyone here using it? If so, what's your opinions and review on it?
Evo442 and Jan summed it up pretty well. WORKS isn't shooting for peak numbers, but broad useable power. Sure, we can throw manipulate the software to exaggerate the peak output on the dyno, but at the expense of safety and/or the rest of the powerband. WORKS does prefer road tuning (after all, you're probably not driving you car strapped to rollers inside a building 99.99% of the time), but do use the dyno as it can be an effective tool during R&D, etc...
Evo442
03-13-2006, 12:37 PM
bwhahhaha. I tune my farts on how my ass cheeks move as I walk.
do you tune for power or a broad powerband?
L8eight
03-13-2006, 01:34 PM
bwhahhaha. I tune my farts on how my ass cheeks move as I walk.
do you tune for power or a broad powerband?
LMAO!!!!!! i am sure that if he were to run a full 3in ass back exhaust he would get atliest 10whp
Evo442
03-13-2006, 03:08 PM
bwhahhaha. I tune my farts on how my ass cheeks move as I walk.
do you tune for power or a broad powerband?
LMAO!!!!!! i am sure that if he were to run a full 3in ass back exhaust he would get atliest 10whp
Hmmm... u sure that 3" wouldn't be a flow restriction?? :twisted:
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
And they adjusted suspension by jumping up and down on the car in their socks. No joke.
bwhahahaha that has to be the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard.
JanSolo
03-13-2006, 06:51 PM
bwhahahaha that has to be the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard.
It might sound stupid, but the results prove that it worked.
dohcvtec
03-13-2006, 06:55 PM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
And they adjusted suspension by jumping up and down on the car in their socks. No joke.
bwhahahaha that has to be the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard.
hey man, JDM is "magical" :lol:
evo_dadi
03-13-2006, 07:31 PM
JDM=Just Damn Magical :shock: :lol:
evo_dadi
03-13-2006, 07:34 PM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
bwhahhaha. I tune my farts on how my ass cheeks move as I walk.
god i cant imagine you tuning while having diarrhea :shock: :lol:
mygsx
03-13-2006, 07:36 PM
For example, rumor has it that the Japanese tuners that worked with Works on their time attack car last year adjusted the cam gears by listening to how the car sounded as it drove past them at speed...
bwhahhaha. I tune my farts on how my ass cheeks move as I walk.
god i cant imagine you tuning while having diarrhea :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
MarkSAE
03-13-2006, 09:29 PM
god i cant imagine you tuning while having diarrhea :shock: :lol:
That'll be just like water.. err umm.. liquid injection.
warpspeed
03-13-2006, 09:39 PM
god i cant imagine you tuning while having diarrhea :shock: :lol:
That'll be just like water.. err umm.. liquid injection.
Usually they are for short "spurts" :lol:
JDM=Just Damn Magical :shock: :lol:
more like just damn moronical
whitemice
03-13-2006, 10:22 PM
I talked to Works a few months ago about Custom Tuning Alky...they told me that don't like to tune on a dyno becuz it is not as accurate as road tuning or something like that. They said that they have a course for road tuning...
My old wrx was tuned on highway 5 by Bozz Speed Japan on our way down to LA for the Compact Sports Car review. Apparently they prefer road tuning over dyno any - o - day! Then they do a little fine tuning when we arrive at the track. As long as the car runs safe and strong...i'm all for it.
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