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Lurk
03-26-2006, 12:10 AM
Has anyone ever ran the APEXi RX6 or Power Enterprise RX6 F1 turbo kit on their car? I was toying around with the idea of getting one of these kits. Alot of people say the IHI turbo's are pretty awesome units. Anyone have experience with these? Looking for an alternative to a Garrett based turbo kit.

blitzkrgCT9A
03-26-2006, 04:51 PM
Has anyone ever ran the APEXi RX6 or Power Enterprise RX6 F1 turbo kit on their car? I was toying around with the idea of getting one of these kits. Alot of people say the IHI turbo's are pretty awesome units. Anyone have experience with these? Looking for an alternative to a Garrett based turbo kit.

if you have the dough, go for it! This is what Im getting (if i ever get that kind of money). Contact me if you interested... it doens't hurt to compare prices. ;)

ZK
03-26-2006, 07:33 PM
Has anyone ever ran the APEXi RX6 or Power Enterprise RX6 F1 turbo kit on their car? I was toying around with the idea of getting one of these kits. Alot of people say the IHI turbo's are pretty awesome units. Anyone have experience with these? Looking for an alternative to a Garrett based turbo kit.

I saw the RX6 down in LA on the Evo on display at the Apexi booth. The kit looks very nice and the welds and finish are very nice. The Apexi representative was gushing about it as well.

earlyapex
03-26-2006, 08:00 PM
for $5,000 that ish better be good.

crctslt
03-26-2006, 08:47 PM
I'm still surprised at how expensive Evo stuff is... :shock:

GST
03-26-2006, 08:56 PM
Is that the same unit that was on the Sparco car? if it is make sure you get a welder to fab a bracket up, they had to fix the manifold every race due to leaks from the unsupported turbo's weight.

EV0LL
03-26-2006, 10:14 PM
I'm still surprised at how expensive Evo stuff is... :shock:

Only really pricey if you have to buy the "JDM" sh@t. The other stuff has come down in price some it seems. I remember when DSM upgrade turbos were regularly $1000+ , even 16Gs were pricey.

DavidV
03-26-2006, 10:32 PM
I have one on my MR2. Great turbo. Check out the article in DSport this month... they did a big write up on RX6Bs.

-- DavidV :D

DavidV
03-26-2006, 10:33 PM
From my post on www.mr2board.com

Not sure if anyone saw the latest issue of D-Sport (April, 2006) but it has a new series called "All in the Family" on different turbos. This month is the Apexi/Power Enterprises IHI RX6B series.

Well, here is what I learned about my set-up.

http://www.norcalevo.net/gallery/albums/album107/spyphoto2.jpg

http://www.mr2board.com/files/davidv/graph_20060206095241_00001.jpg

"All of the IHI RX6B turbochargers rely on the same RX6B turbine wheel. This 84.5 trim exhaust wheel has a major diameter of 62mm and a minor diameter of 57mm. The turbo is housed in an ultra-lightweight turbine housing. The turbine housing has a unique RX6B footprint that's roughly the size of a T25.... A complete TCW77-P18 turbocharger tickles the scales at just 12 pounds. If you compare that to any other turbo on the market, you'll probably find it to be about half to 2/3 the weight of a comparable flow turbocharger."

In the article, they also say that the turbos are very durable, and were used to make 1300 hp at 60psi on Honda's Formula One engines. They say that unlike many other turbos (including, I understand, the Garret GT series) these were specifically engineered for automotive gasoiline engines).

But back to my specific turbo -- since we know all of the turbine wheels are the same, it is the inducer that is different in each. There are four basic trim levels of the RX6B:

TCW15
TCW10
TCW76
TCW77

I checked with a caliper gauge this afternoon and it looks like I have a 61 mm inducer. That means I have the largest of the Apexi turbos - the TCW77. LOL

This translates into a 55 trim relationship and - if I'm not mistaken, is the same turbo Talent ran (is running) on his 580 whp (630whp with nitrous) MR2.

Based on what the article says (which I'm sure came from IHI themselves as the logical source for this info), the best efficiencies for my turbo are in the 2.1 bar to 2.6 bar range (30.5-38psi) for approx. 550-600 flywheel horsepower.

They sum up the RX6B series as "Lightweight, Ultra-Tough and Powerful"

For comparison, a GT35R compressor wheel has the same inducer (61mm) and exducer size (82mm), but with a larger turbine wheel and housing.

I guess this also explains two items I have been wondering about. First, why my turbo is laggy for a dual ball bearing design and second, why it is that at 24 psi - which I thought was the sweet spot for this set-up - the boost is still climbing like a rocket a 7k rpm. As of right now, I am still 10 psi below where this turbo wants to be for its natural sweet spot.

Interesting reading!

-- DavidV :D

SpeedElement
03-26-2006, 11:28 PM
I'm still surprised at how expensive Evo stuff is... :shock:

because its not a DSM. ;)

earlyapex
03-26-2006, 11:37 PM
I'm still waiting for the stock manifold bolt on red and green turbos from FP.

What the hell is taking so long.

Lurk
03-27-2006, 04:35 AM
This is the APEXi RX6 kit for the EVO: http://www.turbo-kits.com/images/rx6_evo_8_turbo_kit.jpg Anyone find it odd how the exhaust housing is so small??! :? Maybe for quick spool?

earlyapex
03-27-2006, 11:27 AM
Anyone find it odd how the exhaust housing is so small??! :? Maybe for quick spool?

Did you even read David V's post? :?

L8eight
03-27-2006, 03:15 PM
I'm still waiting for the stock manifold bolt on red and green turbos from FP.

What the hell is taking so long.

werd...FP Green would make me a very happy camper :)

L8eight
03-27-2006, 04:16 PM
i know that you are not looking for a Garret based turbo kit, but look @ ATP'S 3037R setup, looks good (375whp with just a 3 in exhaust) and for the price of 2399 and a turbo that spools 2-300 rpm later than stock sounds like a great product.

nebolic
03-27-2006, 04:20 PM
i know that you are not looking for a Garret based turbo kit, but look @ ATP'S 3037R setup, looks good (375whp with just a 3 in exhaust) and for the price of 2399 and a turbo that spools 2-300 rpm later than stock sounds like a great product.

the 2-300 rpm is advertised. . . if you're really looking into the ATP turbo, you best speak with someone who might have had this installed.

nebo

earlyapex
03-27-2006, 04:24 PM
i know that you are not looking for a Garret based turbo kit, but look @ ATP'S 3037R setup, looks good (375whp with just a 3 in exhaust) and for the price of 2399 and a turbo that spools 2-300 rpm later than stock sounds like a great product.


The ATP had a bad-rap from spool-up problems before, not sure if they have changed anything recently.

Also, don't confuse spool with full boost. Also don't confuse the manufactors whp numbers with real-world non-biased whp numbers. :wink:

The vishnu kit is a very nice stealth kit. Also take a look at the Buschur kit as well (as much as it pains me to say that)

L8eight
03-27-2006, 04:30 PM
thats true nebo and earlyapex, but i was just looking at thier dyno numbers and they are not that bad. They were running a GT3037s which had some bigtime spool issues, but i guess they are using a different turbo (GT3037r) which helped out alot. I was just researching and this is what i read about the kit; i just said to look into it, not buy it.. I have also seen the vishnu kit and read some info on it looks nice too! either way good luck with your choice.

-Rocky

Lurk
03-27-2006, 05:57 PM
I came across the Full Race turbo kits. The quality definately looks good, and not to mention their kits come complete with all hardware/piping/gaskets/T-bolt clamps AND a FMIC. Decent price too. http://www.full-race.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=737

L8eight
03-27-2006, 06:19 PM
the full race manifold is a nice piece...

crctslt
03-27-2006, 09:14 PM
thats true nebo and earlyapex, but i was just looking at thier dyno numbers and they are not that bad. They were running a GT3037s which had some bigtime spool issues, but i guess they are using a different turbo (GT3037r) which helped out alot. I was just researching and this is what i read about the kit; i just said to look into it, not buy it.. I have also seen the vishnu kit and read some info on it looks nice too! either way good luck with your choice.

-Rocky

I have a 3037S (56T .73 A/R) on my car. I do have a mild head job (<---just for you Bryan :) ) and cams and am at 8.5:1 compression. My car reaches 25 psi at 4200 rpm. I can get to come in sooner with a little more tuning work FWIW. I have seen ATP's dyno sheet and have wondered what they did to get it to spool so poorly.

L8eight
03-27-2006, 09:47 PM
well my guess would be thier tune is not bannanas....

crctslt
03-27-2006, 10:22 PM
Neither is mine. i run stock timing and a basically stock map. Just a little extra fuel up top. I WILL be foolin with the tune as soon as the rain let's up.[/b]

masurie
10-10-2006, 08:28 PM
I came across the Full Race turbo kits. The quality definately looks good, and not to mention their kits come complete with all hardware/piping/gaskets/T-bolt clamps AND a FMIC. Decent price too. http://www.full-race.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=737


I really like the kits, but is there anyways to kind of make it looks stock?

Lurk
10-10-2006, 09:08 PM
Wow, back from the dead. If you want a turbo kit that looks stock and even can be used with the factory airbox and heatshield, look into the Vishnu GT3076 kit. That thing is SUPER stealth.

masurie
10-11-2006, 08:41 AM
Wow, back from the dead. If you want a turbo kit that looks stock and even can be used with the factory airbox and heatshield, look into the Vishnu GT3076 kit. That thing is SUPER stealth.


how reliable is the kit and how much power will it make on pump. I've been toying around with RRE kit, it looks stealth.....

i am looking for about 390whp on pump and steatlh looking (since i live in this getto state, CA)

Lurk
10-11-2006, 08:56 AM
Realistically, you're not gonna make 390whp on 91 octane pump gas with any turbo kit out there. With a GT3076, you're probably looking at 330whp on 91 and around 390-400whp on 100 octane or meth.

UCB
10-11-2006, 09:01 AM
I was just gonna say that, 390whp on CA piss 91 is nearly unpossible as homer would say

A gt35R should get there (on a IX or cammed VIII), but a gt35R on 91 would be a terrible DD, 6000rpm max torque FTL

EFIxMR
10-11-2006, 09:57 AM
One thing worth noting is my full-race powered 05' made 375 whp on the GT35R on pump at GS, and 361 whp with my custom GT30R at EIP.

UCB
10-11-2006, 10:01 AM
yeah...but like I said, I bet thats a terrible DD. When did you make full boost :lol:

EVO GRIM
10-11-2006, 11:18 AM
My vishnu stage 1 made 335 @ FF on 91 @ 21 psi.

http://norcalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10378/normal_DSC01616.JPG

Prob could have got some more torque with cam gears.

PK@WORKS
10-16-2006, 03:19 PM
We are running the IHI RX6 on the WORKS race car and LOVE it! We could have chosen ANY turbo while developing our kit and this is the best for racing in our opinion. Our previous turbo was a Garrett GT35 which is pretty good for the money but definitely not in the same league.

speedreyesr
10-17-2006, 05:43 PM
I am interested in this RX6, does Works iinstall this on customer's cars?

peter
10-17-2006, 06:08 PM
anyone running stage 2 on a IX?
http://www.lancershop.com/customer/product.php?productid=1061&cat=17&page=1

KareBearPowa
10-17-2006, 10:35 PM
That RX6 kit better wash my hair for me for the $6,000 it costs!

mygsx
10-17-2006, 11:48 PM
The header looks similiar to the greddy kit. If*this is true then as RRE and GST said youd have to weld a support bracket up top to prevent future cracking. you might want to think about that if you plan to track your car a lot at the local tracks events. Nice looking kit though.....

speedreyesr
10-18-2006, 04:05 AM
Is $6k full retail? I didnt know. I looked it up at Apex website and the kit sure looks nice. Considering what the kit has and the type of turbo, it might be worth it??

KareBearPowa
10-18-2006, 09:48 AM
I think retail is $6500 or something crazy.

Personally I would get an AMS kit if I had over 4k to spend on a turbo kit.

speedreyesr
10-18-2006, 10:12 AM
AMS kit???

KareBearPowa
10-18-2006, 10:19 AM
AMS kit???


http://www.amsperformance.com/store/index.php?cPath=22_56

speedreyesr
10-18-2006, 11:11 AM
Great site. I see what you mean. I am going to find out if they would work for my 06 MR.

mygsx
10-18-2006, 12:59 PM
My vishnu stage 1 made 335 @ FF on 91 @ 21 psi.

^^^ Hey Grim what are you using engine management wise ecutek/ecuflash/exede..etc.???

EVO GRIM
10-19-2006, 06:39 AM
xede and shiv tune

mygsx
10-19-2006, 09:12 AM
^^^^^^^ahhhh icic thannx Im debatiin between him and Paul@EIP for my retuning my 3071