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KareBearPowa
06-28-2006, 09:00 PM
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371531&page=12&pp=25

It's worth registering...

Cheers.

dohcvtec
06-28-2006, 09:00 PM
+1

Time for the truth to be shown. I'll post up my map once Bryan and I pull it off my car next week.

SouthernCrane
06-28-2006, 09:09 PM
someone copy and paste it please.

dohcvtec
06-28-2006, 09:29 PM
Thread just got deleted on the supra forums. :(

Basically it was them using ecuflash to pull Dynoflashes maps and bash the shit out of him.* He came in there and opened his fat mouth and made himself look like more of an ass.* You'll see when we post my dynoflash map, I'm sure its the same.* Exposes that he is not a real tuner and really has no idea wtf he is doing.* In a nutshell.* :)* I wish it was still around, it was some very entertaining reading.

evo_dadi
06-28-2006, 09:52 PM
i remember a while back when he just started tuning that on custom tunes he would go inside an office to load a map on his laptop,then bring it out to the car being tuned.also makes you wonder who does the mail in flash while hes out traveling doing custom tunes on other cars ;)

SouthernCrane
06-28-2006, 09:59 PM
Mike and Marcel, you guys both had Dynoflash, and i thought you guys ended up with pretty good numbers/decent overall tunes? at least that is what the dyno showed right? were the maps really that bad? what was wrong with them? Why did the Supra guys pull the maps in the first place? SOrry for so many questions.........here is one more............

Can ECUFlash pull maps from ECuTek tuned cars too (It can obviously pull Techtom flashed maps if it is pulling Dynoflash maps)?

evo_dadi
06-28-2006, 10:04 PM
yep i had it before and was kicking myself after switching to brand w ;) mine was the mail in also and i liked how it performed but i think its the custom tunes that are running like crap.

as for the ecuflash pulling maps from ecutek i think nobody has tried that yet.

dohcvtec
06-28-2006, 10:48 PM
mine was the mail in also and i liked how it performed but i think its the custom tunes that are running like crap.

exact same observation.

My car is making decent power and has for the past 30k miles. I'm very curious to see what the map looks like when we pull it. Basically it was 8 degrees of timing almost EVERY where and the low octane map was identical to the high octane map.

KareBearPowa
06-28-2006, 11:04 PM
Thread just got deleted on the supra forums. :(


The beauty of save as html, I only got the last page but that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/everyone_loves_al/

KareBearPowa
06-28-2006, 11:06 PM
as for the ecuflash pulling maps from ecutek i think nobody has tried that yet.


You can't pull Ecutek maps with ECUflash.

MarkSAE
06-28-2006, 11:56 PM
The beauty of save as html, I only got the last page but that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/everyone_loves_al/


Good save!* haha..* Man, WTF was he thinking when he came up w/ that timing map!!

evo_dadi
06-28-2006, 11:57 PM
maybe staring at an 8ball fortune teller,"is it gonna blow or not" ;)

ek9_evo9
06-29-2006, 08:22 AM
as soon as i saw the name dynoflash i laughed, it was a funny read, hope al DIAF

turbotiger
06-29-2006, 10:27 AM
Did Al from dynoflash ever explain why his low and high octane map is the same, along with the flurry of 8's in the timing table?

KareBearPowa
06-29-2006, 10:30 AM
Did Al from dynoflash ever explain why his low and high octane map is the same, along with the flurry of 8's in the timing table?


Of course not. He was too busy spelling muscle, mussel and software, softwear.

GST
06-29-2006, 10:42 AM
Did Al from dynoflash ever explain why his low and high octane map is the same, along with the flurry of 8's in the timing table?


Perhaps his key got stuck?

Mike

KevOVIII
06-29-2006, 12:28 PM
POS flash/tune by a "tooner" that I had on my car... (click to see in unmolested format).* Car's using 100% methanol.

On the left is the "tooner's" flash with his version of injector scaling... on the right is the stock settings

http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/injector_scaling1.gif (http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/injector_scaling1.gif)

http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/injector_scaling2.gif (http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/injector_scaling2.gif)


Check out what the "tooner" flashed the rev limit at... he said he set it at 7800 but it looks 700 RPM off... oops?!?!


http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/timing_rev_limit1.gif (http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/timing_rev_limit1.gif)

http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/timing_rev_limit2.gif (http://home.comcast.net/~y2kevse/images/OpenECU/timing_rev_limit2.gif)

rodw
06-29-2006, 02:46 PM
Anyone pulled the works p2 maps yet? I wonder how it looks.

smack
07-02-2006, 03:34 AM
funny you posted this bryan. i was going to have you pull the flash off my car before i sold it just to see
what was done. but i never got around to it. i will say that i drove my car pretty hard at the track and in not
always favorable weather (105 at t-hill) and i never had a problem. yeah it only put out 275whp at gruppe-s but
hey, at least i never blew up. i guess i'll just chalk it up as a learning experience. :)

chrisw
07-02-2006, 09:06 AM
Did Al from dynoflash ever explain why his low and high octane map is the same, along with the flurry of 8's in the timing table?


Of course not. He was too busy spelling muscle, mussel and software, softwear.


and aparently mixing up customers maps with different ECU/definitions combinations.*



The beauty of save as html, I only got the last page but that's pretty much it in a nutshell.

http://www.norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/everyone_loves_al/


Good save!* haha..* Man, WTF was he thinking when he came up w/ that timing map!!


Mark, that is what he has always done.* I download one of those maps earlier.* The telltale sign of a http://www.grippybits.com/random/krusty.jpg flash is the spike in the fuel map between 70-80 load @ ~3000rpm, and the fact that it's copied to the high and low maps

EFIxMR
07-03-2006, 07:45 PM
Dynoflash isn't the only TOON place that scales injectors "creatively" like Kevin posted. Mike knows who I am talking about as we both had a good laugh when I sent him the file for observation.

KareBearPowa
07-03-2006, 08:00 PM
Dynoflash isn't the only TOON place that scales injectors "creatively" like Kevin posted. Mike knows who I am talking about as we both had a good laugh when I sent him the file for observation.


I know the other place as well. They love me ;)

EFIxMR
07-03-2006, 08:30 PM
Whats your email brian ill send it to ya

EFIxMR
07-03-2006, 09:10 PM
Also, on this subject of flashing and xyz technique not to play devils advocate, but the pragmatic side tells me that if it works, makes smooth power, and is fairly reliable then I wont shake my finger at it and say its bad or wrong.

What I do however have a problem with is deceptive "marketing" tropes used to trump up a companies image. Stuff like "I have thousands of maps.... for different setups around the country" when you have really have a couple of maps with a whole lotta 8's in it. Or if you claim to have cracked every nuance of the Mitsubishi ECU, yet you can't even do something simple as scale 720 denso injectors without resorting to a hack job, when something very elegant exists within the ECU in terms of injector deadtime and multiplier.

Not to say our company is perfect, as we have had our share of mistakes, but we do take every measure to correct our problems and make things right for our customer, as we know they are the only reason why we are here in the first place.

As for what our company can do, the technology, and technical know how... I only speak of it in a way where it is 100% true. This is because I've given up a lot both financially and personally to know what I know, and to do what I've done. Do do otherwise and trump myself up to be something I'm not would do my history a disservice.

GST
07-03-2006, 10:41 PM
Whats your email brian ill send it to ya


Also, on this subject of flashing and xyz technique not to play devils advocate, but the pragmatic side tells me that if it works, makes smooth power, and is fairly reliable then I wont shake my finger at it and say its bad or wrong.

What I do however have a problem with is deceptive "marketing" tropes used to trump up a companies image. Stuff like "I have thousands of maps.... for different setups around the country" when you have really have a couple of maps with a whole lotta 8's in it. Or if you claim to have cracked every nuance of the Mitsubishi ECU, yet you can't even do something simple as scale 720 denso injectors without resorting to a hack job, when something very elegant exists within the ECU in terms of injector deadtime and multiplier.

Not to say our company is perfect, as we have had our share of mistakes, but we do take every measure to correct our problems and make things right for our customer, as we know they are the only reason why we are here in the first place.

As for what our company can do, the technology, and technical know how... I only speak of it in a way where it is 100% true. This is because I've given up a lot both financially and personally to know what I know, and to do what I've done. Do do otherwise and trump myself up to be something I'm not would do my history a disservice.


Not meaning to help trump up yourself Andy but your signature seriously does you a disservice :) (doesn't your car make more than 304whp?)

I totally agree that anyone touting that they know so much about there trade should really make sure they have all their bases covered.

Mike

Matz
07-03-2006, 11:30 PM
Glad you saved that thread, Bryan -- it was a pretty entertaining read. I remember looking at Kevin's maps and saying WTF about the low and the high maps being identical. I can't really say anything else about the whole matter since I don't tune, but it's also definitely clear that Al and Dave are in bed together. Like I said on AIM, "Al's probably on bottom".

I also found Andy's comment about scaling for 720s very interesting.

KareBearPowa
07-04-2006, 12:18 AM
Whats your email brian ill send it to ya


[email protected]

crctslt
07-04-2006, 01:50 AM
I am amused that Al the lawyer doesn't seem to know the difference between libel and slander :lol:

dohcvtec
07-04-2006, 04:40 PM
Might be part of the reason he is no longer a lawyer? :lol:

KevOVIII
07-05-2006, 02:01 PM
Also, on this subject of flashing and xyz technique not to play devils advocate, but the pragmatic side tells me that if it works, makes smooth power, and is fairly reliable then I wont shake my finger at it and say its bad or wrong.


I would occasionally get a lean trouble code with the flash, which usually happens after 1 heat cycle. Upon start up for 2 or more heat cycles, the AFR would hover around 17.1 until the car started moving.







Not meaning to help trump up yourself Andy but your signature seriously does you a disservice :) (doesn't your car make more than 304whp?)

I totally agree that anyone touting that they know so much about there trade should really make sure they have all their bases covered.

Mike


I was able to scale the PTE 880cc injectors correctly and adjusted the battery latency so both STFT and LTFT were close to one another (near 0). However, the new beta software I was trying for Tom (ECU+) had some issues so I had to stop my road tunes. My "hack job of a tune" is close, but I'll definitely need to make an appointment with you to fully tune the car. Hopefully I can find time next week or the week after. :)

BTW, I sent you a couple PM's but you can disregard those.

EvoRicer
07-07-2006, 04:52 PM
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EvoRicer
07-10-2006, 01:18 PM
Hey I was wondering, if I touch the Boost maps would I need to change anything with fuel and timing and such? This is with EcuFlash.