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    Quote Originally Posted by jbfoco
    for track days I recomend ncrc, lapsunlimited, track masters over NASA hpde.
    Agreed, Unless you are in group 3 or 4, NASA hpde is pretty crappy

    As for braking. I think this is arguably one of the hardest things to master. You can learn the line relatively quick, but mastering proper entry speed is what separates the truly fast guys from everyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by awdaddict

    I don't like NASA either... too many cars. Getting stuck behind some really slow car is like no fun.
    Guess I feel the opposite... my feeling is the more cars the better, up to some point. Feeling
    like I'm in the only car on the track gets boring quickly, and there's hardly a chance to
    practice passing (and being passed
    "Someone wake me up when one of these supercars show up at a local track day and actually turns a faster lap than we can in our shitsubishis " -- smack

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    Quote Originally Posted by straylight9
    Quote Originally Posted by awdaddict

    I don't like NASA either... too many cars. Getting stuck behind some really slow car is like no fun.
    Guess I feel the opposite... my feeling is the more cars the better, up to some point. Feeling
    like I'm in the only car on the track gets boring quickly, and there's hardly a chance to
    practice passing (and being passed
    :lol:
    that's only if you run in HPDE3.
    HPDE 1 & 2 = when you can only go 80mph top on a straight when u r behind some 1.6liter car.
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    i feel that following some of the slower cars will help you to learn others driving style, learning how to "predict" what the car in front of you will do.

    but i do agree that when in NASA group 1 and 2...it can be a little annoying when you are only limited with passing. but you have to start somewhere and learn to safely drive fast and pass.

    carebear tuned and track junkie.

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    that's only true if you are following a good driver. I remember when I was in class 1 with NASA and I would tend to follow the line of the guy in front of me even he/her line sucks/was wrong. My instructor had to keep correcting me. You tend to travel where you are looking...

    Quote Originally Posted by tirbolag9
    i feel that following some of the slower cars will help you to learn others driving style, learning how to "predict" what the car in front of you will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetailAddict
    that's only true if you are following a good driver. I remember when I was in class 1 with NASA and I would tend to follow the line of the guy in front of me even he/her line sucks/was wrong. My instructor had to keep correcting me. You tend to travel where you are looking...

    Quote Originally Posted by tirbolag9
    i feel that following some of the slower cars will help you to learn others driving style, learning how to "predict" what the car in front of you will do.
    *agree*
    I was following this bright yellow Miata (hard to keep your eye off of a bright moving object) and I was driving much slower because I was following his line.
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    i failed to mention that *predicting* what the driver will do while you are driving your own line, not the same line the person in front is driving
    carebear tuned and track junkie.

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    I will also agree that NASA needs to use some discretion in what cars to allow in certain HPDE run groups.

    My first time out in the ITR HPDE 4...many people's first time according to the raise of hands at buttonwillow....they have some dude in a NASCAR truck....in group 4.......he was allowed in to get more seat time because he knew someone.....he flew by me and nearly blew out my ear drums that truck was so loud......and then comes the dude in an Nascar style stock car......

    Nothing will scare you more than minding your own business and then getting attacked by a NASCAR anything.....
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    I dont mean to be a dick but IMO anyone in group 4 should know whats going on at all times and not have any issues with a car that is a nascar style anything or the L for instance since they run relatively the same times. Being on track with Josh, Yang etc in group 4 with a lot of different organizers I feel that from what I have seen, way too many people go into 4 well before their skill level is there and/or are in a car thats slow as shit and dont pay enough attention and/or arent curtious to the people they are on the track with.. Im not saying that is your case, and I do agree that the loud thing can be somewhat of an annoyance but in the end I dont really see an issue with it. I think too many people look at it as a hit on their ego to step down to 3 is all and that anyone thats in 4 should be ready for just about anything since most of the people there have/will or want to do some kind of competition.
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    There are race cars that run in HPDE4 all the time, either for practice, warmups, testing, etc... Advanced group drivers should be very well aware of their surroundings, otherwise they shouldn't run in that group. Always check your mirrors! There is a lot of divebombing that goes on in HPDE4 from my experience.

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