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    Anybody else not find these facts odd ... The "test" GTR that has been lent out to numerous car reviewers, run in one lap of america, and the ring etc. Clearly the evidence is right in front of everyones eyes..

    GTR certified independently tested BHP is 480, yet its somehow able to produce apx 450whp on a dyno net a sub 7% drivetrain loss, while the lowely 505bhp Z06 makes about the same 450whp with RWD. somehow, the GTR is able to overcome the basic principles of friction with its AWD system. simply amazing that and AWD car making less 20 less bhp at the crank can make up the difference and still dyno the same amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdking57
    Anybody else not find these facts odd ... The "test" GTR that has been lent out to numerous car reviewers, run in one lap of america, and the ring etc. Clearly the evidence is right in front of everyones eyes..

    GTR certified independently tested BHP is 480, yet its somehow able to produce apx 450whp on a dyno net a sub 7% drivetrain loss, while the lowely 505bhp Z06 makes about the same 450whp with RWD. somehow, the GTR is able to overcome the basic principles of friction with its AWD system. simply amazing that and AWD car making less 20 less bhp at the crank can make up the difference and still dyno the same amount.
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    Here's how some tuned up EVOs did at the same track back on the first EVOM shootout.

    My stock MR did a 1:29.348 with Frank Lin behind the wheel. I would say that the GTR is pretty damn fast!

    1 Robert Fuller 1:24.332 Buschur-RRE-Muellerized

    2 Kent Jordan 1:25.200 Muellerized-RRE

    3 Mark McComsey 1:25.210 EOC-Quantum Racing-Muellerized-RRE

    4 Dieter Heinz-Kijjora 1:26.220 Group 5 Motorsports-Muellerized-RRE

    5 Ricky Rogers 1:26.238 Muellerized-RRE-4G63.com

    6 Emile Bouret 1:26.333 Sparco-Muellerized

    7 Paul Lambert 1:26.391 ForcedFed

    8 Robert Tallini 1:28.285 RRE

    9 Lawrence Yip 1:28.410 A-Spec

    10 Frank Lin 1:29.348 Volk Racing / Toyo Tires

    11 Corey Taguchi 1:33.211 B&M Racing / Drift Speed

    12 Peter Beck 1:33.278 Symbolic Motors

    13 Abbas Nazari 1:33.737 Team D Motorsports

    14 Sammy Alinaeem 1:36.428 Race Centric

    15 Mohammad Abuqartuni 1:38.800 SuperStreet Cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo8
    Sure understeer sucks but its a whole lot easier and cheaper to fix then cheap interior from a company that voids your warranty if you breath in the car. The sti might have take it or leave it styling but its a freaking nice car.
    Stabilizer bars are a quick fix for understeer.

    Interior wise, the STI looks way better than the EVO X. Performance wise, that's where the X excels. I'm not so much into build quality. It's the performance that counts for me.

    After a lot of reviews on youtube, edmunds and some magazines, has anyone noticed that there have not been any showdown between the STI and EVO X lately? I guess people/magazine editors/etc have figured out that the X outperforms the STI right out the box.
    &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=bryan@GST link=topic=31207.msg532273#msg532273 date=1214857352]<br />Ryan gates was only 4 tenths of a second slower than us and all it has is robi kw V3&#39;s, exhaust, reflash and some light motor supporting mods.<br /><br />It has renewed my faith in mitsu. The evo 10 is 100% still a Evo, and a damn good version at that.<br />[/quote]

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    I think the hatch in the STi is way more practically.. considering what some people did with their evos (cages etc) having a 4 door sports car that still cant hold anything especially large has lost a little bit of favor with me, but thats all just a personal prefrence. Id rather have the STi.. consider its almost as fast, and has the hatch is a huge plus.

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    The hatch is good for practicality... If only they made the STI look better. There's some good looking hatches out there but the STI is certainly not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo8
    Quote Originally Posted by ZK
    The hatch is good for practicality... If only they made the STI look better. There's some good looking hatches out there but the STI is certainly not one of them.
    I think the front looks awesome. hatch ftl though
    Had to agree with you on that one stevo8. With the right lip, the front looks good.



    I still like the a 4 door sedan (EVO X) over a hatchback.
    &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=bryan@GST link=topic=31207.msg532273#msg532273 date=1214857352]<br />Ryan gates was only 4 tenths of a second slower than us and all it has is robi kw V3&#39;s, exhaust, reflash and some light motor supporting mods.<br /><br />It has renewed my faith in mitsu. The evo 10 is 100% still a Evo, and a damn good version at that.<br />[/quote]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy@SpeedElement
    Here's how some tuned up EVOs did at the same track back on the first EVOM shootout.

    My stock MR did a 1:29.348 with Frank Lin behind the wheel. I would say that the GTR is pretty damn fast!

    1 Robert Fuller 1:24.332 Buschur-RRE-Muellerized

    2 Kent Jordan 1:25.200 Muellerized-RRE

    3 Mark McComsey 1:25.210 EOC-Quantum Racing-Muellerized-RRE

    4 Dieter Heinz-Kijjora 1:26.220 Group 5 Motorsports-Muellerized-RRE

    5 Ricky Rogers 1:26.238 Muellerized-RRE-4G63.com

    6 Emile Bouret 1:26.333 Sparco-Muellerized

    7 Paul Lambert 1:26.391 ForcedFed

    8 Robert Tallini 1:28.285 RRE

    9 Lawrence Yip 1:28.410 A-Spec

    10 Frank Lin 1:29.348 Volk Racing / Toyo Tires

    11 Corey Taguchi 1:33.211 B&M Racing / Drift Speed

    12 Peter Beck 1:33.278 Symbolic Motors

    13 Abbas Nazari 1:33.737 Team D Motorsports

    14 Sammy Alinaeem 1:36.428 Race Centric

    15 Mohammad Abuqartuni 1:38.800 SuperStreet Cars

    Andy this is from 2004 when the evo was new. My own time is 1:24.1 in the grim before it was redone. Cars back then were super slow compared to now, so I would not use those times for comparision. There was X there last time running 1:28's with just tires and coilovers, amature driver. There was a evo some Japanese guy was driving with JRZ that car ran 1:20:9. There was porsche factory cup car that ran 1:14:xx . I bet your car will be around 1:21-22 some thing.
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    That looks good, typical people dont undestand why its cool though.


    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive
    Quote Originally Posted by stevo8
    Quote Originally Posted by ZK
    The hatch is good for practicality... If only they made the STI look better. There's some good looking hatches out there but the STI is certainly not one of them.
    I think the front looks awesome. hatch ftl though
    Had to agree with you on that one stevo8. With the right lip, the front looks good.



    I still like the a 4 door sedan (EVO X) over a hatchback.

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